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Randall wins – but is he selfish?

RealityTVFan + December 16th, 2005 + 343 replies

Last nights finale of the Apprentice sure has stirred a lot of debate. After both tasks ended somewhat successfully, although both had problems, Randall and Rebecca came to the live boardroom for the final decision by Mr. Trump.

Both competitors argued quite vehemently for their cause. In fact, at one point it looked as if they would both spit they were so worked up. I found it to be over the top and almost unpleasant to watch these two professional work themselves up into a frenzy. At one point it seemed that Trump had had enough when he told Randall, “Ok, that is enough”.

With the exception of Toral, all the former candidates seemed to support Randall – ok, I stand corrected on my previous comments about Toral and Rebecca!

Many people had the feeling that Trump would hire both of them, and when they each choose separate tasks, it really appeared to be heading that way. In the final moments however, Trump told Randall, “Your hired!” After a few minutes of celebration, Trump brought Randall back and asked him if he should hire Rebecca as well, which I am sure, was planned out from the beginning.

At this point Randall had the chance to share the spotlight, get Trump two quality apprentices and show what he thought of Rebecca.

Did he do the right thing? Was he greedy? Is this guy’s opinion, yes. Why not hire Rebecca to? What did he have to lose? If he is that insecure about being the only one, maybe he is not the star everyone thinks he is. Actions speak louder than words and last night, Randall’s words at the end left a negative impression and showed that he is selfish.

Yes, Trump could have been more decisive on his own…..maybe he was testing Randall early.

Comments are coming in thick and fast from this unique situation. This is a first for the Apprentice and I am sure the debate will rage on for days. Here are some early comments from people:

Carol says: “Randall disappointed me in the finale. What a classless person. Both candidates were good and Trump was prepared to hire them both. But Randall showed that he was greedy.”

Moon says: “Randall wanted all the glory for himself and instead of showing himself to be a magnanimous person and telling Trump to hire her, he strongly shot down the idea.”

And more from Molly: “I agree with Carol and Moon. Randall showed his true colors tonight. What a disappointment. He’ll always be the selfish insecure winner. Low class and self-centered”

But Peg says: “To all of the angry haters out there commenting that Randal is the wrong man for the job, and have the nerve to say he has no class, just because he didn’t want to share his limelight… let’s not forget, he clearly earned his win”

And more from mzzzrich: “Trump finally hires someone other than a white male and he’s expected to share the limelight, I think not.”

What do you think?

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343 Comments

  1. Lynn replied:

    Hello America,
    When a fine, outstanding and such a classy candidate as Randal, has deservedly won with *flying colors*, ‘The Apprentice Contest’, you want him to take the *decision* to *co-hire* another candidate who was not chosen by the Trump organization *owner*.
    Unable to accept his superb victory, you’re trying to spoil it and badmouth it with false statements.
    You know pretty well, America, as the rest of the world knows about your history, that if Rebeca was chosen, you would not have *thought* for one SECOND that she should share her position with “poor Randal”…
    Come on, America, for once, let the PHD SCHOLAR, the CLASSY hunk, the smart and most brilliant apprentice of all TIMES, savour his sole victory ALONE!!

    December 16th, 2005 at 12:41 pm (permalink)

  2. RealityTVFan replied:

    Ok, fine. What I don’t understand is how it detracts from him if she is hired to…is he that insecure? It is not about bad mouthing…it is about being decent to other people. This BS about savoring his victory alone is pretty sad, he must be pretty desperate for recogntion if that is so important to him. Recognition comes from what he had done to date, hard work and respect…not from being petty and selfish at the end.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:09 pm (permalink)

  3. Lynn replied:

    Poor America….
    Nothing anyone says now about this fine man, Randal, will cast a shadow ON his brilliant play, his outstanding 13-week ‘Apprentice’ performance and the way he is admired by his peers. NOTHING.
    Please accept his plain victory as part of the RULES of the ‘Apprentice’ Game.
    I know it’s hard for some to accept. That’s why the silly idea of *adjusting* the rules at the very LAST moment. Do not change them now that just because the plain WINNER is not your PREFERRED color. :0)))))

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:38 pm (permalink)

  4. RealityTVFan replied:

    Oh please you jerk, don’t bring color into this. That is offensive to me….how do you know what ‘color’ I or any other person writing on this is….??? That has nothing to do with it…give me a break.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:45 pm (permalink)

  5. insider replied:

    Randal was such a selfish person, my respect for Randal has gone down the drain. After all we knew he was a star since the very begining and now he turn into a major jerk. I mean Rebecca worked just as hard as he did, I’m guessing the reason why he didn’t share it was because he felt that one day Rebecca would overshawdow her.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:50 pm (permalink)

  6. Lynn replied:

    He IS a star. Will always be. Look at him, Look at his face, his perfect shiny teeth, his height, his grace, his PHD stellar education, his good manners, his distinguished performance, etc.
    Oh what about his fine taste. Has anyone seen this man walk. O Lord, the only way to bring such a star down is precisely to disparage him now after his stellar victory.
    I am glad that in the end, the attempted foul play did not pass. The show is titled “The Apprentice”, It was meant for one SINGLE winner. But as in the past history, America has a way to change the rules of the game or invent some new ones, just because….
    If I were him, I wouldn’t share my rightful victory with no lesser starlet. :0)
    Way to go, MIT PHD Scholar. Very impressive track record. Wow!

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:57 pm (permalink)

  7. Damien Outlaw replied:

    Yeah….you guys amaze me.

    Rebecca is the weakest final two canidate of any season and finnaly a Minority is the winner and he’s asked to share his title???????

    Did Trump ask Bill, Kelly or Kendra if they should want to share their title?????

    I have even more respect for Randall for doing what he did.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:57 pm (permalink)

  8. Bob replied:

    In response to Lynn, I guess that we shouldn’t be surprised that the race card had to be played but try to remember that the last apprentice chosen was not a white male but a female. I also can guarantee you that if Rebecca would have won she would have welcomed Randal with open arms. What this means is that Rebecca was genuine when she complimented Randal but he turned out to be evidently insecure.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:58 pm (permalink)

  9. Randalfan replied:

    Randal just made another sound business decision/career move by saying there should just be 1 apprentice. It’s true. If this is about getting all you can from being Donald Trumps apprentice why should you tell him to hire 2 of you when you finally win it? Just like the whole show, is it about being a ‘nice guy’ or making solid business decisions?
    maybe he could have found a nicer/more tactful way to say it, but he made the right call.

    December 16th, 2005 at 1:59 pm (permalink)

  10. RealityTVFan replied:

    Explain to me how it is a sound business decision? If she is in New Jersey and Randall is in Atlantic City what is the problem? Someone will run the New Jersey project….is he that threatened by her? I don’t get it…..how would it matter if they both worked for him? They are both winners no matter what and Randall’s “star” isn’t diminished if they both get a job…

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:03 pm (permalink)

  11. Hank replied:

    Randal(shouldn’t that be spelled Randall?) showed what an a–hole he is by that one act.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:04 pm (permalink)

  12. Marv replied:

    Trump should have picked Rebecca first and then he would have been able to hire both of them because she wouldn’t have been so petty and disloyal as Randall. He gained nothing by shooting her down. That was a totally pathetic move and he would have lost nothing by recommending Trump hire her. I hope people he does business with in the future were watching last night, his behavior might want to make them think twice.
    Total lack of class….

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:08 pm (permalink)

  13. Lynn replied:

    Yes he did, Randalfan. I commend you on your sound and impartial judgment.
    On a personal note, allow me to speculate as everyone else.
    No, had Rebecca won, She TOO would NOT have included Randal in her *title*…. That’s the RIGHT *business* decision.
    Happy holidays. :o)))))))))))))

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:08 pm (permalink)

  14. Lynn replied:

    Wow,
    The man exsudes *style*, *class* and *refinement*. No matter where I watch the show, here in the States, in Europe, or Latin America. He was everyone´s favorite. He’ll continue to be the talk of the town. Of course, it is evident to every one else how classy, refined Randal is.
    What a gentleman! WOW!
    Well done, Randal! Bien joué, Randal ! ¡Muy bien hecho, Randal! ¡Felicidades!
    The whole world loves you and agrees with your choice, as you are entitled to.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:14 pm (permalink)

  15. KReedy replied:

    As an avid fan of the show from the start, each year I see and respect Mr Trump’s choices, he sees something that is missed by the public and he clearly shows to be someone with a great vision into the future. I felt both were equally good. Both had bad times but for Randal to mention on the Today show that him not allowing the chance for Rebecca was like awarding a medal to someone who didnt win or finished after him in the olympics.. Not only did that comment make no sense in the fact she didnt finish after him but it showed further his lack of respect or intelligence. One can have all the degrees in the world, but sometimes it takes more than that to be a human being. If 2 winners finished first at the SAME time both should get a gold medal. He is saying she finished after him and that isnt even the truth. I still remember his mistake on the poster and putting the wrong call letters down for the radio station. I would say at this point he showed his true colors as did Alla. I guess there are still people in this world making their millions at the sake of other people blood. And on a final note, Mr. Trump has made this year a differant year doing things that were a first, firing 4 people at one time with good reason and seeing things with people either good or bad that the public may have missed and knowing what to do. I felt let down by him also last night by not letting his own thoughts take charge like he has so many other times and then letting Randal decide. That would have been a great ending to this year as a show that anything could happen. And give the next season of people to know that they need to work hard cause anything could change at any given point. At this point, My thoughts are Marcus would have been a better choice then Randal.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:18 pm (permalink)

  16. Randalfan replied:

    I don’t know if it would have diminished Randal (Randall?) or not – to me that’s not the point. I think he had every right to give the opinion he did, since he won fair and square, and I don’t see why anyone else thinks suddenly they have the right to judge him and declare him an @#$$ just because they don’t his opinion. Randall didn’t make a decision – he gave his opinion.

    Trump asked him his opinion. He gave it. Trump chose not to hire her in the end. Just because you don’t like his opinion you can’t suddenly decide he’s a giant jerk. He earned the right to be asked his opinion by Trump and he gave it.

    if you won the 100 mtr dash in the Olympics would you offer to share the gold medal with someone else just because they ran almost as fast as you?

    The guy earned the right to say what he said and that’s that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:22 pm (permalink)

  17. RealityTVFan replied:

    WELL SAID!!!!! You have hit the nail on the head, KReedy. And, for all you supporting Randal, can anyone still explain to me why it is such a bad thing if they both are winners? Randal turned out to be a poor sport…period.

    P.S. Lynn,have you been hitting the holiday eggnog already?

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:23 pm (permalink)

  18. Jazzmister replied:

    What a tacky situation for Trump to put his winner in! This was a tournament-style competiton with the winner-take-all. If Trump wanted to hire her or anyone else, he could have done so after this show was over and Randal got his props. But not as “The Apprentice.” Does anyone ask the Spurs basketball team if they want to have their final losing opponent have championship rings and trophies too?!

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:23 pm (permalink)

  19. Sue replied:

    I think Trump should offer Rebecca a job today. She has it all, Class, Loyality, and a diecent human being. Rebecca is more mature than her age. She would make a “GREAT, Super” employee for the Trump Origanation!

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:23 pm (permalink)

  20. Lynn replied:

    Attention, there seems to be a
    The last assignment was a fund-raising one. Randal’s team raised $11,000.
    Rebeca’s: 0. On that fact alone, she would not have been worthy to be a ‘winner’ since she failed in the task given.
    Right? Or does someone want to change the Rule of ‘The Apprentice’ Game again?

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:24 pm (permalink)

  21. Doug replied:

    I, like many others, think that Randal had nothing to loose by graciously sharing the limelight with Rebecca. However, the real shame of all this was Trump putting Randal in that position, with a split second to react in front of millions of people when he was already on such an emotional high. My guess is that if Trump had made the decision to hire both right then and there, Randal would have been most gracious and this would be a non-issue.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:25 pm (permalink)

  22. Randalfan replied:

    don’t you think that if Trump felt the same way as you guys he would have gone ahead and hired her anyway? It was his choice…Like you say, actions speak louder than words…

    he chose to hire Randal. Then he chose not to go ahead and hire Rebecca.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:27 pm (permalink)

  23. Laura replied:

    I can understand Randall wanting to be the sole apprentice, but I feel he could have handled the situation a little better. Instead of being sarcastic and making his “apprenti” comment, he could have said something more to the effect of “I believe that the Apprentice should have only one winner, but Rebecca would be an assest to any company”. At least that way he wouldn’t have come across as such an unloyal jerk.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:31 pm (permalink)

  24. Lynn replied:

    Randalfan,
    You´re the best blog participant I have ever read. Your comments are so well reasoned!
    You´re indeed right, if Randal did something wrong, Mr. Trump would have been the first to say it. Right.
    Yes, he DID win FAIR and SQUARE. Can we now leave him savour his victory without trying to demonize him.
    That’s not fair, America.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:31 pm (permalink)

  25. RealityTVFan replied:

    Ahh, but he said he probably could have been talked into it, I think he was testing Randall to see how he reacted. The debate can continue and since everyone else is speculating, I bet that Trump didn’t like the way he reacted……

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:32 pm (permalink)

  26. Derrick replied:

    Here’s what pisses me off about this whole situation. All those that say Randall is selfish, blah blah blah…Trump bears a lot of responsibilty for the way this all ended. If he wanted to hire Rebecca also, he should’ve done it. Why the need to put Randall in that position? Because he automatically assumed Randall would say ‘yes’? That’s a bad assumption on Trump’s part.

    Also, I was so sick of hearing how poor Rebecca broke her ankle. nary am mention was made of Randall losing his grandmother during the first task. He had a lot weighing on his mind, and he came through it all. But that got buried under all of the sympathy for poor Rebecca.

    For those that disagree with playing the race card…African Americans haven’t been portrayed in a nice light since Kwame in season 1. From Omarosa, to Stacie J…now with his actions, everyone is painting Randall as a selfish individual. Once again, I blame Trump for putting him in that position in the first place.

    Finally…I believe Trump asked if Randall was tough enough to work in New York. Well, I think we have our answer. It takes some stones to do what he did, on national television, knowing he’d probably take a lot of heat for his actions. I think it would’ve been a mistake to have two winners in this. That does a disservice to other second place finishers of past seasons, most notably Kwame from season 1 and Jen from season 2. There are no two winners in Survivor, American Idol, Amazing Race, etc. There shouldn’t be on on The Apprentice as well.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:34 pm (permalink)

  27. Tanis replied:

    I don’t understand why so many think it’s acceptable to be selfish. We had Cindy on Survivor missing the opportunity to provide new cars for four people and now Randal shows himself to be utterly self-absorbed by refusing to acknowledge a truly deserving person and provide her with an incredible “gift”. Don’t people know you never lose when you give? Randal wouldn’t be giving up anything and the goodwill and respect he would have gained by agreeing to Rebecca’s hiring would be immeasurable. He already had earned considerable international respect. He missed the opportunity to cement his reputation. Instead, many are rethinking their original good opinion. I’ll bet Donald Trump is one of them

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:38 pm (permalink)

  28. RealityTVFan replied:

    Ok, Derrick, you are the first one that has made some sense about why it should be just him. and you are right about the ankle thing, that pissed me off to.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:39 pm (permalink)

  29. RealityTVFan replied:

    But, Tanis….you make even more sense. That is the bottom line.

    WHY DOES IT MATTER IF THEY BOTH WIN??????????????????

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:40 pm (permalink)

  30. Jenna replied:

    I think it shows how immature Randall is in a business sense. If you are working in a company, you want what’s best for it…you want your company to hire the best people. Before last night I was going to be pleased with whichever candidate won because they are both great. Now, not so much. But I am not too concerned. Rebecca will more than likely get an even better job offer.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:40 pm (permalink)

  31. Susan replied:

    Randall was acting like a dog in the manger. In this season it seemed to me that Trump would have a hard time choosing between the two finalists, and indeed I thought that he should hire them both. When Trump gave indications that his thoughts were going in that direction, I gained some respect for him. And I think the reason why Trump talked about how this is serious business for him and not just a tv show was a signal he was giving both final candidates. Yet Randall treated it as a competition. I think he is feeling insecure and threatened by a woman a decade younger than him who is nonetheless as accomplished. This is not the Olympics after all. It’s a business organization. A smart business would hire good people. Since Randall and Rebecca have worked very well in the past, you would think that he would welcome another co-worker with whom he works well. A business isn’t dependent on a single “star.” You need a team. I think Trump recognized both Randall and Rebecca as good additions to his team, and therefore he was thinking of hiring them both. After all good workers are hard to find. I simply lost all respect for Randall when he answered the way he did. I would have felt the same about Rebecca if she did the same thing. I do not, however, know how she would have responded if she were in Randall’s place. Perhaps the whole “game” aspect of the show drives people to take these absurdly extreme positions about who makes the best apprentice. Also, despite his five degrees from eminent institutions of higher learning, Randall still doesn’t know the plural form of the word apprentice. It’s not “apprenti” (what is that? fake Latin?). It’s “apprentices.”

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:40 pm (permalink)

  32. Derrick replied:

    Question…would you all be so pissed if Trump hadn’t asked Randall and still decided not to hire Rebecca? This was a 13 week job interview…and it was a GAME! I know I never paly a game expecting to tie. I play to win. And besides that, no one here was in the position Randall was in. That was a tense board room. Emotions ran high. He’d just finished his case about being hired. He was in attack mode. Adrenaline was flowing. Take that into consideration. Once again…lay off Randall and place your blame squarely where it should be placed…on Donald Trump.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:45 pm (permalink)

  33. Lynn replied:

    I have an idea Susan. Since you find Rebeca “as accomplished” as Randal, and since you have found his grammar knowledge to be flawwed, why don’t you call Mr. Trump and ask him to revoke his decision and hire your favorite Rebecca, instead?

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:47 pm (permalink)

  34. Janese replied:

    I completely and totally disagree with you on how this season of Apprentice should have ended up.

    First, of all Randal is correct it is a single Apprentice. In all of the past cycles of the Apprentice there was never a situation where two were hired. There was potential for more than one person to be hired but it never materialized. There should be only one.

    Second, of all Trump should never have put Randal in the position to be the bad guy. If Trump wanted to hire two he should have just hired two. And if he wanted to hire the girl over Randal he should have done that. He should have known that by putting it to Randal he was loosing the power in the situation.

    Third, why does Randal have so many degrees? Because he cannot be as good as, he cannot be better than, no he has to be Randal the golden boy. The fact that we are comparing Randal to a woman who is 23 and very few business experiences proved that. Come on, give me a break, there is no comparing of the two, ask Alla, in fact ask all of the contestants.

    Fourth, if I were in his position I would have done the exact same thing and I dare you to say that you would have done any different. And if you believe that you would have done the same thing, why should Randal behave any differently. It is not a matter of selfishness; it is a matter of being a good, competent, astute businessman. I would have gone even further and said that there should be only one apprentice and if you don’t want be and you want her so be it but damn it why should he have to share the spot light??? Who has been given that burden before? Why should he have to take the back see and Drive Miss Daisy????

    The bottom line is that if Trump wanted the girl he should have picked the girl, but he knew that he could not do that and be seen as competent, so what does he do, he makes Randal have to share what he has worked so hard for. Nope, there is only one apprentice! Why should number 2 ride on the coat tails of number 1? There is no logical explanation for that.

    Finally, Randal does not NEED this show or this job in any way shape or form. That is the beauty of it! He got it because he did not need it. The girl on the other hand needs this job to continue to shape her resume. I will take you up on your bet any day. I will bet you $100 that in 10 years Randal’s career will out shine the girls any day of the week, month, or year.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:57 pm (permalink)

  35. J Black replied:

    Randal wasn’t even asked to share his title. He would give up nothing, except for the respect of many, many viewers for his action to deny Rebecca her own chance to prove herself on separate project. The Donald asked him if he should hire Rebecca. The answer should clearly have been yes. In fact, Trump should hire many of the candidates who distinguished themselves throughout the show, not for project management, but in areas in which they would likely prove to exceed the performance of most other candidates. Just like his huge gaff in failing to plan for bad weather for an outdoor event, he has failed to measure the potential reaction of the world to his refusal to give Rebecca a chance to succeed at no cost to himself.

    Trump and Randal need to act quickly to reverse the decision as damage control, or risk a loss of respect that can’t be regained from any other course of action.

    December 16th, 2005 at 2:58 pm (permalink)

  36. Rogers replied:

    THE APPRENTICE… NOT!!!!!!

    Apprenticeships, by design, are for younger individuals to get started in their careers!

    Trump really missed a huge marketing opportunity by not hiring Rebecca against Randal’s opinion and being able to promote both of his new big projects via 2 Apprentices. Who’s the boss/mentor… Randal or Trump?!?!?!

    Why didn’t they disclose the donations Yahoo received after Rebecca’s charity event?????????

    Randal showed his true colors by his unwillingness to share the limelight with Rebecca and invite her to be hired as well (they have enough projects for both).

    Randal did not manage his last task… he didn’t plan (no contingency plan for rain), he just flew by the seat of his pants… after all his education and he just flew by the seat of his pants. Ridiculous!

    Hiring Randal because he has more life experience defeats the entire basis of the show (inherently Apprenticeships are for younger, less life-experienced people). Just have regular interviews and then hire the most experienced person — but don’t call it The Apprentice if you’re going to tell them, “Sorry, you don’t have enough experience!” (Being 38, I’m not speaking from an age biased perspective.)

    I didn’t even care for Rebecca early on in the program. I thought James was a good candidate. But just don’t give such an oxymoronic reason for not selecting the younger candidate when she did just as well as the “more experienced” one.

    It would have been a much more interesting finale if Trump had fired Randal for not making the right decision to hire Rebecca, and then hired Rebecca — essentially “Trumping” Randal!!! Drama, unpredictability, twists & turns — that’s entertainment!

    Rebecca would have been a better Apprentice because she was not only Randal’s equal (why didn’t they disclose how much in donations came into Yahoo after the event???), but because she is just starting out in her career — the definition of an Apprentice. Rebecca proved she had the right stuff to become a great business person (intelligence, maintains composure, thinks clearly under pressure, etc), she just needed the opportunity!

    Rebecca did just as well as Randal and she’s only 23, just think about her potential when she is Randal’s age!

    This was my First & Last season of The Apprentice! It was a waste of my time and I will never be suckered into it again!

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:02 pm (permalink)

  37. Derrick replied:

    J Black, I have to disagree. By asking Randall at that instant, he was being asked to share the title. Once again, if Trump wanted them both, he should’ve chosen them both himself. As far as hiring other candidates, I agree. But he should do it behind the scenes, instead of putting his new hire on the spot like he did.

    Besides, what did you people expect? This isn’t Martha Stewart’s Apprentice. This is Donald Trump’s Apprentice. How far would the candidate’s on Martha’s show have gone on Donald’s? The guys and girls on his show are ruthless go getters. Those board room sessions are no joke. They didn’t make it to the top by always being nice guys. Just follow the tagline of the show: “It’s nothing personal. It’s just business”.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:05 pm (permalink)

  38. Lydia replied:

    Apprenti is actually “real” Latin. Maybe he picked it up at one of those esteemed institutions???

    Rebecca was not a star except in the boardroom. She didn’t have the respect or confidence of her teammates, and she lost as PM and was on losing teams repeatedly. She is not as accomplished as Randall in the business world, either. As he stated, “I own businesses, Rebecca writes about them!”

    Randall did say that he respected her, and I believe him. Respecting someone and thinking they are your equal and therefore deserve an equal job position with you are totally different. In my mind, Randall remained true to his integrity by not offering her a job he specifically said she lacked experience for.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:08 pm (permalink)

  39. RealityTVFan replied:

    Ok, Derrick, if it is just business, why didn’t Randall do what is best for his new employer and business? Hiring Rebecca would have made an overall stronger team and Randall should have been proud to work in the same company as her. That is a business decision!! Making an organization stronger and being a team player is important and he didn’t do that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:09 pm (permalink)

  40. KReedy replied:

    As to the comment that Rebecca didnt get any money for her charity?? Did we forget she was told not too and what about the $50 grand she got during the finale?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:11 pm (permalink)

  41. Damien Outlaw replied:

    ” Attention, there seems to be a
    The last assignment was a fund-raising one. Randal’s team raised $11,000.
    Rebeca’s: 0. On that fact alone, she would not have been worthy to be a ‘winner’ since she failed in the task given.
    Right? Or does someone want to change the Rule of ‘The Apprentice’ Game again? ”

    great point..but to all these morons a person with a undefeated PM record is equal to one with a losing record who raised no money for her charity

    Once a minority wins the Apprentice we shoudd then change the rules so a completely inferior canidate also gets the ultimate reward?????

    You guys are losers. Its a disturbing trend I see in America. You all are probably the types that put your kids in youth soccer leagues that don’t keep score because no one wants to get their feelings hurt.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:12 pm (permalink)

  42. Jane replied:

    It’s nothing personal. It’s just business.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:13 pm (permalink)

  43. Rogers replied:

    If Randal is full of integrity and is so accomplished, why does he want to bail on his partners at BCT? Randal doesn’t run a “real” business either, he tells people how they should be running theirs… I don’t see a lot of difference between consulting in person and consulting in written form as a Financial Journalist.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:13 pm (permalink)

  44. NeSheryl replied:

    He deserved to win. ALONE. Why should he have to share the glory? Donald Trump probably really didn’t want to hire him anyway due to his being black. He has no other african americans working for him, not even doing entry level work. Donald knew Randall was the most qualified and that if he were not hired, then Omarosa’s claims about race would maybe be validated. I want to know why Randall is being called selfish for saying what he did? He has a right to be recognized as this year’s apprentice just like the previous winners. Did they have to share the limelight? NO, so why should he? He shouldn’t.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:14 pm (permalink)

  45. Sick to death replied:

    I am so sick of everything in this country coming down to race. I have not heard one person say Rebecca lost because she was a woman. So why because Randal won and is an African American is he not considered selfish to the African American public? I would have been the first to say that Rebecca was a Witch if the situation was reversed and I am White and female. There will never be equality, if people of the same of any race agree or take someones side just because of thier color. Isn’t that a form of racism? Donald Trump did not offer two positions because Randal was African American,he offered the positions to two capable worthy individuals. Just like he changed the game by firing 4 people in the boardroom.I just wish everyone would wake up and see themselves as human beings,not just black or white.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:14 pm (permalink)

  46. NeSheryl replied:

    Racism still exists. It is alive and well and thriving. I wish it were not so, but it isn’t going anywhere. I still say Randall WAS NOT selfish for wanting the job to himself. Why should he have to share it? Did the others have to? NO

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pm (permalink)

  47. Rogers replied:

    I haven’t seen an “Apprentice Rule Book”! Trump is the boss. He makes up the rules as he goes along. End of story.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:19 pm (permalink)

  48. Garcelle replied:

    Trump put Randal on the spot in a bad way. I don’t necessarily disagree with Randal’s opinion, but he would have come off much better without being so sarcastic and ungracious. That is not the Randal we came to know. However, in the heat of the moment, he just had to react. Being told you won, then being called back and ask to share the win is not the best position to be put in.

    As far as Rebecca, I find it curious that Trump claimed she raised no money. True, there was no money raised at the actual event, but I find it VERY HARD to believe that not a SINGLE donation envelope was returned after the event. This seemed a ploy for the Yahoo! COO to stand up and make the grand gesture of a donation. And unfortunately, it made Rebecca seem like she failed miserably in fundraising when in all likelihood she did not. Editing for the desired result?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:20 pm (permalink)

  49. Sick to death replied:

    Ok,but at least admit that they were two talented individuals and the reason Rebecca was also offered a position was because she was capable. Not because its a conspiracy against Randals race…

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:22 pm (permalink)

  50. Damien Outlaw replied:

    If its not about race then explain to me this: Were Bill, Kelly or Kendra asked to share their rewards??????

    Kwame, Jennifer M, and Tana were all much superior canidates in the show and in real life than Rebecca.

    Oh…I forgot rebecca has cruthces….she’s so great….1-2 as a PM and she raises no money for her charity……(sigh)

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:22 pm (permalink)

  51. NeSheryl replied:

    I agree that he was put in a bad situation. Why were the previous winners not asked to bask in the glory together?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:22 pm (permalink)

  52. Derrick replied:

    RealityTVFan,

    IMHO, that wasn’t Randall’s responsibility. That was Trump’s. He could’ve asked Randall to hire just about anyone that was fired previously. He could’ve asked him to hire Josh, Marshawn, Alla, etc. Would you guys be upset if he had done that? Once again, it’s a game. There should be only one winner. As I stated before, Jen from season 2 would’ve been an excellent employee in the Trump organization. And Trump was a fan of hers as well, yet Kelly wasn’t asked if she should be hired also. Again, Randall should never have been put in that position. No one seems to want to grasp or understand that. That should’ve been Trump’s decision and his alone.

    And Sick to death, the reason race is being brought up is because Randall is the first black man/woman hired by Trump. He hired a woman last season (and rightfully so, because I thought from the first boardroom Kendra would be the winner).

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:24 pm (permalink)

  53. Sick to death replied:

    Because all of the other Apprentices were at eachothers throats by the end of the game. would you be saying a word if Rebecca won and was asked to share with Randal?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:25 pm (permalink)

  54. kara replied:

    Let’s compare it to a lottery winning. A once in a lifetime lottery winning. If you have all the numbers exactly as they should be, but someone else is missing one, WHY should you have to share it? You shouldn’t you won alone. This is his limelight to bask in by himself and he deserves it

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:25 pm (permalink)

  55. MDoran replied:

    I would have made the same decision as Randal. Think about it. Randal is a company man. He has been hired by Trump. He now works for Trump and is responsible for giving good advice to Trump. Who knows more about Rebecca than Randal? They worked and lived together longer than any of the other applicants. Randal knows if Rebecca can handle a position as difficult as one working for Donald.

    Randal did not want to give bad advice to Donald just because he was “flying high” from winning the show. He knew if he recommended the hiring of Rebecca it would be a bad recommendation. My opinion is Randal wanted to let Donald know this without coming across as a jerk who downgrades a beaten opponents skills after a win. So, he took what he considered to be the high road, telling Donald that he should not hire Rebecca as per the rules of the show. In reality, he knew that the hiring of Rebecca would be a mistake for Donald that could cost him thousands of dollars.

    Randal attempted to convey this without beating up on Rebeccah anymore in front of millions of people. It could have been worded better, but I like his style.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:27 pm (permalink)

  56. Nesheryl replied:

    Trump shouldn’t have offered the job to be shared. There has only been one winner in the past, why two now?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:28 pm (permalink)

  57. Bob replied:

    It’s clear that Trump himself had no “Plan B”. He was caught off guard by Randal not wanting Rebecca to have a job.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:28 pm (permalink)

  58. Rogers replied:

    I agree Randal was put in an awkward situation… but he really disappointed me when he did an about-face from his former gracious persona and had to put Rebecca down to feel better about himself.

    Equal Rights is still the biggest form of discrimination in this country. Black men received the right to vote before any color of women did!

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:28 pm (permalink)

  59. Derrick replied:

    Sick to death, that is not true. bill and Kwame weren’t at each others throats. And I don’t believe Kelly and Jen were either. The competition and board rooms are set up to be cutthroat. Of that, thre is no argument.Why anyone is so surprised this happened is beyond me.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:28 pm (permalink)

  60. Tanis replied:

    I can’t help but wonder what the reactions here would be if a) Rebecca won and didn’t agree to Trump hiring Randal, and b) Rebecca won and agreed to Trump hiring Randal.

    And, to whomever said Trump has no African Americans working for him, even in entry level positions – you’re out to lunch. My cousin’s room-mate (in New York City) works for the Trump organization as a litigation specialist. She’s a black woman and her position is most definitely higher than entry level. Check your facts before you make blanket statements.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:30 pm (permalink)

  61. Insider replied:

    The whole thing was “wired”. Trump hand picked this cast. Randall was going to win unless he did something TOTALLY insane. The winners had been 2 white guys and a white woman….. how much longer do you think Trump could go before being labeled racist???? Please! Is he good, sure. Is he GREAT? No. He owns a consulting company. He doesn’t “do” he tells others how to do…. lots o book brains… but can he do it…
    Sorry wasn’t impressed.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:31 pm (permalink)

  62. Derrick replied:

    Rogers, you do NOT want to get into a discrimination battle here. Yes, balcks were given the right to vote before women, but women were a lot more free to excercise that right.

    And Bob…great reply!

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:31 pm (permalink)

  63. Derrick replied:

    Tanis, I was the one who said that, and I didn’t say Trump hasn’t hired blacks. I’m not that stupid. In the 4 seasons of The Apprentice, Randall was the first black man/woman hired. So maybe you need to get YOUR facts straight before you make idiotic statements.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:34 pm (permalink)

  64. Rogers replied:

    Derrick — Bring it on! Yeah, we’re “free” to be paid the same wage for the same amount of work… Not!

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:34 pm (permalink)

  65. Me replied:

    Nobody asked Randal to share his title. He was asked if Rebecca should be hired. Would he have thought there should only be one Apprentice if the tables were turned and Rebecca was hired and was asked if Trump should hire him? Do you think he would have turned the job down because there was only suppose to be one person hired? Maybe,he should have asked Trump to bring back 3 of the 4 people fired because only one was SUPPOSE to be fired. He would have shined even brighter if he hadn’t been so selfish.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:38 pm (permalink)

  66. Derrick replied:

    Discrimination exists for both blacks and women. Of that there is no dispute. But youbrought up the right to vote, and I checked you on it. You want to talk about wages? That’s a whole different ballgame. I already know women don’t get paid the same as women. And that’s a discussion for another time, another place. Not here.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:38 pm (permalink)

  67. Nesheryl replied:

    Rogers, were white women killed for trying to vote? No, We women have not had it rough like African Americans there is no comparison. Randall deserved to win.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pm (permalink)

  68. LYNN P. replied:

    IT IS SO OBVIOUS THAT DONALD TRUMP DIDN’T WANT TO HIRE BOTH OF THEM IN THE BEGINNING OF THE HIRE BECAUSE HE HAD A WHOLE LOT OF RESPECT FOR RANDALL. I THNK RANDALL IS A COMPLETE SELFISH, AND NO CLASS HUMAN BEING. I WOULD NEVER DO BUSINESS WITH HIM AND I AM SURE THERE WILL BE ALOT OF PEOPLE THAT WOULD NEVER DO ANY SORT OF BUSINESS WITH HIM. WHEN DONALD TRUMP ASKED HIM WHAT HE THOUGHT ABOUT HIRING REBECCA, HE DIDN’T EVEN THINK ABOUT IT A HALF A SECOND BEFORE HE SHOUTED OUT “NO”. EVERYONE I KNOW THINKS HE IS A JERK.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:40 pm (permalink)

  69. kara replied:

    Well, he was asked what he thought and he thought it should go to him and him alone. What is the purpose of the show if there is more than one “winner”? Before long it will be like American Idol where EVERYBODY gets a contract

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:44 pm (permalink)

  70. Tanis replied:

    No, Derrick, I wasn’t responding to your comment. I checked back and in message #44 NeSheryl stated that Trump has no African Americans working for him, even in entry level positions. And, there is no reason to be insulting. An energetic exchange of opinions is healthy, but let’s try to have our facts straight and remain civil.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:45 pm (permalink)

  71. Derrick replied:

    Well Lynn, obviously Randall has been pretty successful without your business, so I’m sure he’s not shedding any tears.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:45 pm (permalink)

  72. Derrick replied:

    Ok Tanis…I’m down with that. my apologies.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:46 pm (permalink)

  73. Mary replied:

    It’s Clay and Reuben all over again. How come it only happens when the black people win???

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:46 pm (permalink)

  74. Ralph replied:

    Ha, Ha, Ha, America the jokes on you because you still can’t shake your racial demons and it’s preventing you from being a homogeneous nation. It’s like a chain around you ankle preventing you from uniting and working together with one another to be a True Super Power all of human history could aspire to.

    Take a look at your recent track record.
    Why do the majority of blacks think that OJ was innocent and the majority of whites that he was guilty?
    Also, after removing the debate whether you are for or against the death penalty, why do the majority of blacks think that Stanley “Tookie” Williams should not have been executed and the majority of whites that he should be?
    And now with The Apprentice what does Donald Trump giving Randal the option to pick Rebecca or not have to do with race?

    The answer is because as American’s you are a racially divided county. And you have to answer almost everything from a racial prospective and not a homogeneous prospective.
    So the jokes on you America, The Apprentice didn’t end last night, it was just handed off to the public arena while we all watch and read how much we dislike each other based on race alone.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:47 pm (permalink)

  75. Derrick replied:

    No kidding Mary. I thought Bo should’ve won last season, but Carrie was equally deserving. Should both of them have been winners? You can make an argument that they should. But for the purpose of the show, absolutely not. Carrie won, fair and square, and shouldn’t have to share the spoils of victory. Same as Randall. He shouldn’t have been asked to share.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:49 pm (permalink)

  76. Rogers replied:

    It’s already been noted that white men won the first two seasons, a white woman last season… it was actually reverse discrimination because Trump did not want to risk a backlash from the black community by hiring another white person. He was counting on Randal’s former display of graciousness to make everyone happy.

    Derrick – You bet I brought up wages, because it’s all one continuum… women receive the power men want to give to them, when they want to give it, because we are still the weaker sex and cannot simply take it! Just as you are trying to bully me by talking TOUGH! You don’t know a thing about me… I’m actually tri-racial (American Indian, Black & White).

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:50 pm (permalink)

  77. sarah replied:

    I am a white woman and I must admit that I was shocked when Randal didn’t suggest that Mr. Trump should hire Rebecca as well – I thought anyone would have done that.

    Nevertheless, today I feel differently. Unfortunately, african american men and woman have a disadvantage in business, and Randal deserved to win regardless of his color. In the age of affirmative action, I think it is so important for someone who is as intelligent and talented as Randal to be allowed to shine on his own and enjoy his win. I also believe that if Mr. trump had asked him that same question before declaring Randal the winner, Randal would have made the same statement despite the risk of losing – there should be only one apprentice.

    One thing makes me wonder though – if Rebecca had been black, would Randal have made the same decision?

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:51 pm (permalink)

  78. NeSheryl replied:

    As an african american female, the majority of us do NOT think OJ was innocent. The main reason so many african americans were happy that he got off is because in history so many of our ancestors were lynched and hung from trees and put in prison simply because of an all white jury or some not even given a trial at all just killed. We saw that maybe, just maybe that was finally over. I know OJ did it. He should have been punished. But, he was found innocent and by law should be left alone.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:53 pm (permalink)

  79. Derrick replied:

    Rogers, I am in no way trying to bully you. This is a discussion about The Apprentice, not racial discrimination in America. And you don’t know a thing about me either. I’m black and Native American. I think women have had a rough go of it, just as any non-white in this country. As far as women recieving the power men give them, that’s bull. I’ve watched my mom and my sister go out and get what they thought was there’s.

    As far as Randall, once again, he should not have been in that position to begin with. And if Rebecca would’ve won, I would’ve been disappointed as I’ve been a fan of Randal’s all season, but she was worthy as well. And I would’ve felt the same way…in no way shape pr form should she be placed in a position to have Trump hire Randal as well. If she said no, I would be waging this same debate.

    December 16th, 2005 at 3:57 pm (permalink)

  80. NeSheryl replied:

    You are right, Derrick we should stick to the discussion of the apprentice. No one wins when discussing racial discrimination.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:00 pm (permalink)

  81. D.G. replied:

    Do you think it was fair of Donald Trump to put Randal in that position 10 seconds into his victory by asking him to share the prize of working for the Trump organization with someone else? I think not. If Trump wanted to hire both of them, then he should have made that decision and taken the criticism that Randal is now getting? And no one has mentioned this, but if the comedy event was a regular task and the team managed to raise $0, Trump would have not only fired the project manager, but probably the entire team. Randal had a great record and raised $11,000 in the final project and deserved to be the Apprentice. And he earned the right to be in the spotlight by himself, just like every previous Apprentice. Also, if you think about it, what was really so impressive about Rebecca? Maybe Trump should make this a regular thing and ask that question of every future apprentice from now on. That would be interesting.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:02 pm (permalink)

  82. EZ-E replied:

    I can understand where Randal is coming from in not wanting to hire Rebecca. Apprentice is a competition and there should only be one winner. Rebecca will not have a problem with offers. In fact on the today show the representatives from Yahoo offered her a position with Yahoo Finance. But back to Randal’s decision, I agree with it. You can compare it with the Olympics….is a Gold Medal winner supposed to cut his medal in half and give it to the Silver Medalist just because the Silver Medalist was “almost” as good? Randal was the best and lets leave it at that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pm (permalink)

  83. Rogers replied:

    Sarah, I agree. Randal stuck by Marshawn even after she bailed on her team in the 11th hour by not giving the presentation she had worked on the entire time, thereby making her a non-contributor. I would never hire anyone who bailed like that!

    I think Americans are too eager to assume the victim role and shout “discrimination” when things don’t go their way. (I brought up female discrimination in response to the racial discrimination bantered about Randal — to level the playing field between he and Rebecca. Yet some men [Derrick] still refuse to accept reality!)

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:03 pm (permalink)

  84. Me replied:

    So,I suppose if Scott Peterson was found innocent all of us white people would have cheered and had riots in the streets? Why can’t people look at individuals as individuals? Black,White,Chinese we are all HUMAN. I know that African Americans had it very tough for quite some time. Isn’t it time now though,to stop blaming everyone for all of your problems? Never once have I ever looked at someone and thought I don’t like him/her because they are black. I have,however been in situations where I would smile at a African American woman in a bathroom as I would anyone else,and had been heckled while in the stall because they didn’t know who I(Blondy) thought I was…Is there racism? Sure,but its not all one sided.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:04 pm (permalink)

  85. NeSheryl replied:

    To me, who are you to say that all African Americans blame someone else for their problems? I

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:07 pm (permalink)

  86. Rogers replied:

    Derrick — And what did your mother and sister get that was theirs? Surely not CEO of a Fortune 500 company… because no one likes a pushy broad. Alla reminds us all of that!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:07 pm (permalink)

  87. NeSheryl replied:

    The FACT remains that no one has it harder than an african american man. No other race or us women.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:09 pm (permalink)

  88. J Black replied:

    Face it. Randal’s comments instantly lost the respect of many, many viewers. Even if you agree with his actions, you have to realize that the fact that there IS a controversy about this, proves that he lost respect. To be gracious in winning would only have benefited him. He would lose nothing. Sharing the spotlight wouldn’t have hurt him at all. I thought he was the better candidate. I did’t think that Rebecca should have “won”. Yet in his last action, he lost my respect. Race, gender have nothing to do with it. On a TV show, public perception IS THE REAL GAME. In the PERCEPTION GAME, Randal lost. Another example: YAHOO! lost the PERCEPTION GAME. They come off has being disengenous snobs who are more interested in protecting their clients from solicitation that to SUPPORT THE CHARITY FOR WHICH THE EVENT WAS FOR! The last minute 100K donation was an obvious attempt to save face. It didn’t work. I think that most people could see it for what it was: a huge blunder and attempted recovery. For Yahoo, $100 grand is a paltry sum to correct such a huge gaff, considering that a _regular 30 second ad spot_ would cost more than that in fees and costs. $250 grand per charity would’ve been more appropriate for a company with a $60B market cap and $5B in revenue. Yahoo brings in $250grand every half hour, folks. Now if the Yahoo execs took the right course of action in the first place, which would have been to encourage donations from their clients for a charity event, they wouldn’t have needed to donate anything beyond the sponsorship expenses. Once the need for damage control becomes apparent, the expectations change, since it’s much harder to regain lost respect than to maintain high regard. This is why Randal lost the PUBLIC PERCEPTION GAME, while winning The Apprentice Game.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:10 pm (permalink)

  89. D.G. replied:

    Trump owns the Miss America contest. Maybe he should ask the winner if she would like to share the spotlight with the runner up.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:10 pm (permalink)

  90. Derrick replied:

    Hey me, when you’ve been discriminated the way I have, we can have a discussion about equality. I don’t balme anyone for my problems. Anything that happens to me because of my actions I take full responsibilty for. being called the N-word becasue i was speaking to a white woman? I blame the racist. Scott Petersen murdered a white woman. If he would’ve been acquitted, there would be outrage. White men were acquitted for lynching black men. Some blacks in this country thought the OJ decision was, in the immortal words of Malcolm X, the “chickens coming home to roost”. I’m not saying that’s right, but it is reality.

    As far as Randal sticking by Marshawn, how about Rebecca sticking by Toral when she bailed on her team? Would you hire anyone like that? If so, you’re being a hypocrite.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:12 pm (permalink)

  91. Rogers replied:

    Let’s face it… Trump tried to show everyone that there’s room for more than one at the top, that we can all get along, and that business in America doesn’t have to be cutthroat — and Randal shot it down because Rebecca gave her honest opinion a few moments before that Randal did not stay focused on his task and plan appropriately… and that ticked him off and he went for revenge.

    I give Randal props for being optimistic that it wouldn’t rain… but the saying goes, “Hope for the best and plan for the worst”.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:12 pm (permalink)

  92. Insider replied:

    What was OJ’s wife’s name???? mmmmm Nicole??? served her stupid white ass right for not getting a gun when she knew he was insane to begin with…. OJ’ll get his in spades.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:13 pm (permalink)

  93. D.G. replied:

    Shouldn’t we be blasting Trump for not having the guts to hire both candidates and take whatever criticism for it and not putting Randal in that situation?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:13 pm (permalink)

  94. esther joseph replied:

    hi everyone

    why fight over such brains that america has given birth too aint we proud of the accomplishment of both parties, blame not rendal, but Mr trump, he had the power to hire this lovely Rebecca, trump loved rebecca and there is no denying of that she is young and pretty, so why not allow her to share in the victory, trump could not openly deny rendall of the golden medal because he knowS that randall is brillant, so therefore by putting randal in this position when he has already win and calling him again to ask him to share in his victory is absurd, yes she was great, wasn,t kwame great, did trump asked the winner of the first episde to share his victory with kwame no, kwame was a better leader than the first appentise why nothing wasnt ask of him, omarasa was a obstruction to Kwame,s victory why didn,t trump feel sorry for kwame as he felt for Rebecca.

    Mr trump this is not business ethic, as you alway say it is business and i mean nothing personAL, so likewise with Rendal .

    WHITE AMERICA TRY TO RESPECT THE BRAIN THAT THE GOD OF THE UNIVERSE HAS PUT IN YOUR MIDS, AFTER ALL THE CARISMA THAT RANDAL HAS SHOWN ON THE APPRENTICE, THIS ONE THING SHOULD NOT CAUSE WHITE AMERICA TO COMMENT SO HARSHLY ABOUT THIS BRILLANT PERSON IN YOUR MIDS, i am white as white america,esther

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:14 pm (permalink)

  95. Derrick replied:

    Rogers, my sister is a project manager for MCI, a position she wanted. She has no aspirations of running a Fortune 500 company. My mom worked her tail off and retired before she was 50. She’s now living in Las Vegas. She got what she wanted as well. And the beauty of it…neither of them has a college education. They saw what they wanted, and they got it.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:14 pm (permalink)

  96. chad replied:

    Randal won… game over… I give him his props…he was the better of the two for Trump to hire…I feel that trump made a good move in hiring Randal…however here is where the questionable decision came into play.
    When Trump said “Randal…your hired” the game was over. It was then that trump let Randal make his first business decision as the apprentice. Clearly Rebecca would be an outstanding asset to the Trump company and to any company for that matter. I hardly think any one would disagree. When Trump ask Randal if he should hire Rebecca he was no longer refering to the apprentice but for the trump orginization. Randal said no and that was a bad decision and Trump knew it. Thats what was with the confused look on Trumps face. So to you who say that him saying no was a good business move for him, I am forced to disagree. I believe he just set himself back in the Trump orginization due to the fact that his pride stands between him and his work. Randal is only out for him self and not the betterment of the Trump orginization and I hope “The Donald” sees that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:16 pm (permalink)

  97. Insider replied:

    J Black…… right on…… WHY didn’t they reveal how much the comedy event brought in??? Either they were embarrassed by the tight wad attendees OR they brought in way more than Randy’s 11k. If they brought in MORE than Rebecca would have had the right to claim victory don’t you think???

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:18 pm (permalink)

  98. Me replied:

    Derrick,were you lynched or hung? I feel awful about what happened years ago and feel that like all else its in the past. My 1st boyfriend was African American,and I got called alot worse than the n-word,from both sides of the fence. As far as your people getting a raw deal,I completely agree with you. But you blaming us for what our ancestors did is like me hating you because you are the same color as OJ. There are prejudices but like I have said before,its not all one sided.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:19 pm (permalink)

  99. Derrick replied:

    Chad, you make a valid point. But once again, why single out Randall? Why not ask Kelly? Jen would’ve been an asset. Why not ask Bill? Kwame would’ve been an asset as well. Once again, it was unfair of Trump to put Randal in that position when he had not done that with any other Apprentice winner. And it’s not about race. none of the winning Apprentice’s should be put in that position.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:20 pm (permalink)

  100. D.G. replied:

    I wonder what Trump would have done if he were in Randal’s position. Everything that Trump has shown about himself, (self-promoting, arrogant, cutthroat, etc.)would suggest that he would have made the same decision as Randal.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:21 pm (permalink)

  101. Insider replied:

    Yeah Trump needs some help in the “image” area and rebecca could have really helped there… either that or he just wanted her around …

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:21 pm (permalink)

  102. Hank replied:

    If Randal(l?) is such a hotshot in a group of so called consultants, and being his own boss with the potential of earning unlimited income, why did he spend all that time trying to earn the chance of being egomaniac Trump’s flunky?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:22 pm (permalink)

  103. Insider replied:

    yo Hank… props

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:23 pm (permalink)

  104. Mary replied:

    That just so much folly! I don’t live in LA, and I didn’t even know who Tookie Williams was.

    OJ was rich and had good lawyers so he got off PERIOD. And that is just not true that only black folks believed he was innocent and cheering for him. Most of those people cheering when he got off in LA were white. Yes they had the black law students, but damn-it they were cheering OJ lawyers, not OJ…..get it? They were cheering Johnny C. I saw that same night a bar FULL of white people in BUFFALO cheering and screaming when OJ got off. Saw it that first night then they never showed it on television again. Why? Because the media wanted to push this all blacks believe in OJ, all whites do not. It ain’t that simple.

    My problem with what Trump did was why take the BEST candidate in the history of your show, and try to make him share the award with someone who was just ok, or good?

    I think after people cool down they will realized that Trump set him up.

    But you do have a point Ralph……..black folks ain’t mad at Randy.

    And you know what, if it was the other way around I would say no Randy cause, I would be embarrassed if he won that way.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:24 pm (permalink)

  105. Derrick replied:

    Me, I said what happened after happened with the OJ trial wasn’t right. But again, when you are discriminated against, you do turn bitter. You dated a black man and were called names. I’m sorry that happened. But when you stopped dating him, the name calling ceased, right? And once again, I’m not blaming you for what your ancestors did. But it is a sordid part of our history, and racism, while not as blatant as it was, is still exists here.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:24 pm (permalink)

  106. D.G. replied:

    Trump is a load!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:25 pm (permalink)

  107. Rogers replied:

    Hank – You hit the nail on the head! ;}

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:25 pm (permalink)

  108. Me replied:

    Derrick,that is really too bad and there are alot of people in my race that are vile human beings and nobody deserves to be singled out no matter what color they are.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:27 pm (permalink)

  109. sarah replied:

    I think the racism issue is very interesting, b/c I truly do want to be fair and not have a prejudiced outlook on the outcome. I really think the problem is that I judged Randall the same as a white man – I judged him equally. If a white man had done what Randall did I would have been equally shocked and flabergasted. After all, the show portrayed Randall as being so complimentary of Rebecca and his comments seem to come out of nowhere and shocked everyone. Because he already had the job (and was really recognized as the winner by being picked first by Donald),
    i didn’t understand why he would care if Rebecca was hired as well, since she was equally competent and probably better than anyone else who has ever won the apprentice in the past, besides Bill.

    That is my fault, b/c as a woman in a large corporate office dominated by men, I truly understand how difficult it is to succeed as a woman and how you really need to claim your prizes and accolades when they are well-deserved, otherwise, someone else will jump in and steal them. And as a woman, I have to work twice as hard to gain the respect of everyone, since I don’t play golf, I don’t have the male comraderie that everyone else has. It is nowhere near as difficult as being black, I am sure, but I do have some understanding of those people who are angry about some of the reactions to Randall’s statement.

    The point I am trying to make though, right or wrong, is that the people critizing Randall’s behavior are not doing so because they are racist (or at least most of them aren’t, I hope), they are doing so because they viewed him on the same level of an equivalent white person in his position, and failed to take racial issues into consideration.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:28 pm (permalink)

  110. Rogers replied:

    Derrick – No reply to “Alla the pushy broad” not getting what she saw and wanted? Guess you can’t DEAL with someone who actually uses her brain.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:32 pm (permalink)

  111. Derrick replied:

    Me, racism does work both ways. And I’m not bitter against whites. But when things happen, like this discussion we’re having about Randal/Rebecca, the first thing that pops in your mind is “are people saying this because Rebecca was the cute white girl?”. That’s one reason why I continue to say that it was wrong for Trump to put Randall in that situation. He liked Rebecca. Hell, I liked Rebecca. She’s from the city I work in! But Randal won fair and square and should not have been asked to share the spotlight.

    Also, there are vile blacks as well, who hate whites just because oftheir skin color. Hell, from dating a black man, you know all to well, because I’m sure black women didn’t appreciate that too much did they? But you are absolutely right. No one should be singled out like that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:32 pm (permalink)

  112. Derrick replied:

    Rogers, I didn’t see your comment about Alla. I have no problem with her. I think she deserved to be in the final more than Rebecca did. I think Trump made a HUGE mistake firing her when he did. I would’ve loved to have seen a board room showdown between those two! She would’ve given Randal more than he bargained for!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:35 pm (permalink)

  113. Rogers replied:

    Derrick – Why does it have to be a winner take all mentality? That’s exactly the brute force I referred to.

    Trump tried to show everyone that there’s room for more than one at the top, that we can all get along, and that business in America doesn’t have to be cutthroat — and Randal shot it down because Rebecca gave her honest opinion a few moments before that Randal did not stay focused on his task and plan appropriately… and that ticked him off and he went for revenge.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:36 pm (permalink)

  114. D.G. replied:

    Hooray Derrick! Randal should never have been asked that question!!!! Trump was wrong and didn’t have the guts to hire both and take the criticism! I lost a lot of respect for Trump!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:36 pm (permalink)

  115. sarah replied:

    Alla was way to aggressive to win. She was very rough around the edges. Plus, donald was looking for loyal, intelligent people, more in line with the “bills” and “randals” and “rebeccas” on the show.

    I don’t see Alla as being loyal – I see her as taking over the Trump organization if she could. She belongs working on her own, where I’m sure she’ll be very successful – probably more successful than Randal and Rebecca combined.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:37 pm (permalink)

  116. D.G. replied:

    Rogers, if Trump wanted to show that then why didn’t he just make that decision and hire them both instead of putting it on Randal?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:38 pm (permalink)

  117. Rogers replied:

    Derrick – That’s my point about Alla… she deserved to be in the final, but because she’s a driven, tough WOMAN — she was fired! So when you say a woman just has to go after what she wants and she’ll get it, is a load of crap.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:38 pm (permalink)

  118. Mike replied:

    If Randal had just said yes, this would have been a tremendous feel-good moment for the show and simply a terrific Reality Show moment, which I would point out has yet to have been duplicated on any other show. Normally we see these cut throat endings and people long for something a little different. I have to believe that Trump had this in mind all along, yet knew that by letting Randal make the decision, this would make for an even better moment. Randal would still clearly have been the winner (and he was clearly the better choice). Trump gave him a softball to knock out of the park and he inexplicably blew it. No wonder he looked dazed and confused after Randal’s response.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:38 pm (permalink)

  119. Rogers replied:

    D.G. – Please see my blog #36 for your answer.

    Sorry guys, I have to log off and go make some real money — dancing at the topless bar!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:39 pm (permalink)

  120. Melanie replied:

    One question. If Donald say’s “and Someone will be fired” and fires several, then why can he not hire two?? Randell would obviously be shown as his first choice so, limelight, spotlight, who cares. A business could always benefit from two such qualified people.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:39 pm (permalink)

  121. NeSheryl replied:

    Why were the past winners not asked to share, rogers? Why couldn’t Donald Trump “show the world about sharing” then?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:40 pm (permalink)

  122. D.G. replied:

    Mike, if Trump wanted to show a feel good moment in reality TV then why didn’t he say “I love them both. They’re both hired.” It would have been a great moment in reality TV.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:41 pm (permalink)

  123. Derrick replied:

    Rogers…this show has always been “winner take all”. And Trump, before last night, has never tried to show there’s room at the top for everyone. He’s cutthroat, and his show reflects that. That’s why the board rooms are always so brutal. Trump encourages his candidates to go at each other with all they’ve got. I remember in season 2 when the debate champ got fired because he didn’t fight back hard enough agianst Sandy (I think that was her name). It’s what you come to expect of this show.

    Also, I do remember Randal saying he didn’t think Rebecca was tough enough for his organization. Would’nt he be a hypocrite to turn around and say Trump should give her a job?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:42 pm (permalink)

  124. Rogers replied:

    Just kidding — I manage a doctor’s office, but you got the point!

    NeSheryl – Apparently the past winners weren’t as evenly matched as Rebecca and Randal. Like I said, Trump is the boss and he can make up the rules as he goes along… this is reality TV!

    Signing off for good. Enjoy the rest of the debate!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:43 pm (permalink)

  125. NeSheryl replied:

    He wanted Randall to look this way. Donald set this all up. The most qualified person won, he happens to be black and here we go. Why is it when someone black wins a reality show crap hits the fan?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:44 pm (permalink)

  126. NeSheryl replied:

    Rogers, they were not EVENLY matched. Randall was clearly more qualified

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:45 pm (permalink)

  127. Islandgirl replied:

    Can someone explain why all of sudden Trump wanted to hire two apprentices?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:48 pm (permalink)

  128. Derrick replied:

    I disagree about past winners not being evenly matched. I thought Kwame and bill were evenly matched. hell, I thought Jen should’ve beaten Kelly.

    And Alla wasn’t fired because she was a driven, tough woman. If Trump didn’t want that, Carolyn sure in the hell wouldn’t be working for him. Alla was fired because she and Felisha screwed up the task. She was tough, but she couldn’t be led (at least not by Felisha). Still, she shouldn’t have been fired.

    Incidentally, I loved Alla’s comment at the end about Rebecca. priceless!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:49 pm (permalink)

  129. Derrick replied:

    Islandgirl, that’s an excellent question. I think he liked Rebecca’s loyalty, and felt sorry for her getting the broken ankle. Just my 2 cents.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:50 pm (permalink)

  130. Rogers replied:

    Can’t resist:
    NeSheryl – Keep dreamin!! Anyone who plans an outdoor event, knows there’s rain in the forecast, and isn’t prepared ahead of time to move the event inside is an IDIOT!!!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:50 pm (permalink)

  131. RealityTVFan replied:

    Mike #118….EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY!!!

    No one is saying Randal shouldn’t have won, but it would have done him no harm professionally to accept Rebecca to. That is it, period. He could have had all the spotlight he could handle, all the accolades and done something good for the organization and for another human being. He had the chance and he blew it – period.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:51 pm (permalink)

  132. sarah replied:

    anyone who says that randall was CLEARLY more qualified than Rebecca is flat out wrong. You have no idea – all we know is what we were shown on TV. They both have great educations, they mentioned that Rebecca raised 750k for charity when she was 15 – that shows extreme drive and ambition.
    Also, as far as the last task went, I think Rebecca did a better job. The task went so smoothly – the party looked so nice – whenever something bad happenned (like the comedian cancelling), Rebecca handled it like a pro and never got flustered. In watching Randal’s final task, it appeared that his teammates were doing a large part of the work and HE HAD NO BACK UP PLAN!!! DUH!!! As for Rebecca not raising money, she did what the executives asked of her, and they repeatedly told her not to solicit money. They were paying for the event, her hands were practically tied. Perhaps she could have come up with another subtle way to raise money, but I certainly wouldn’t say that Randall kicked her a$% in the final task. I thought they both did a good job.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:51 pm (permalink)

  133. Derrick replied:

    Once again RealtyTVFan, why was it Randall’s decision to make? Why should he have been put in a position no one else had? You all keep missing that point!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pm (permalink)

  134. NeSheryl replied:

    Rogers, I knew you hadn’t gone anywhere, but regardless, he sill came out a victor with his project. It didn’t rain on his parade.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pm (permalink)

  135. D.G. replied:

    Rogers, and anyone who does a benefit for pediatric aids and raises $0 is an even bigger idiot!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:52 pm (permalink)

  136. Rogers replied:

    NeSheryl – I don’t care if Randal graduated from Einstein’s University… if he doesn’t have common sense, he’s no use as an employee.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:54 pm (permalink)

  137. Derrick replied:

    Anyone who hires Toral has Toral working for them with the way she bailed on her teamis an idiot of epic proportions.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:55 pm (permalink)

  138. NeSheryl replied:

    Rogers- He got the job, which like past winners, he will be doing solo.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:55 pm (permalink)

  139. Marcus replied:

    Man the claws seem to be out for Randall. It’s like he is now THE WORST PERSON IN THE WORLD, because he didn’t give some cute, SPUNDKY chick a job. Everyone knmows that once you get someone a job you’re responsible for them, and I wouldn’t want to be responsible for Rebecca constant memos about what a survivor she is because she got a blister playing golf, or what a champ she is for coming to work after a bad case of flatulence.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:55 pm (permalink)

  140. Mary replied:

    Nevertheless if that was the normal competition she would have LOST because Randall had $11,000.00 and she had $0.00.

    How do you stand there and thank people for their support…..ah when they haven’t supported you?

    She did not collect one red cent at the Charity Event…..DUH?????

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:55 pm (permalink)

  141. kami replied:

    Rebecca’s integrity and loyalty have been beaten to death. But everyone keeps forgetting the few occassions she hit Randell below the belt. One was on the radio task when she chewed him out to Mr. Trump saying he was not creative. Second was in the final NYC boardroom when she said Randel over thinks and misses the big picture. Considering the fact Randel raised $11,000 and she raised NOTHING- he could have taken her to town on this one. But he acted like a true gentleman the ENTIRE process. He was the reason she had her ONLY win as PM. The reason she chose Toral on the final task was b/c she was so pathetic she needed Toral b/c she knew Toral would back her. Also when Trump asked her if she was better than Randel, she could not give a solid answer. Rebecca is smart, but she’s not all that. It would have been a slap in the face to so many people to hire her, especially the previous 2nd runners up.

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:56 pm (permalink)

  142. YouKnew replied:

    D.G. – Why didn’t they state what came in from Rebecca’s donation cards??? Because she blew Randal out of the water and that wouldn’t make for good tv?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:56 pm (permalink)

  143. Derrick replied:

    Good call Marcus. And no one has answered this question: Randal was aked if Rebecca was tough enough to work for the Trump organization, and he said no. Wouldn’t he be a hypocrite for turning around and saying Trump should hire her?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:57 pm (permalink)

  144. D.G. replied:

    Bravo Mary! She could have done something as simple as having a table at the exit where people could make a donation or make a pledge that could have been sent to them at a later date. She screwed up!!

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:57 pm (permalink)

  145. D.G. replied:

    YouKnew..Nice name but you really don’t know. Maybe nothing came in, you ever consider that?

    December 16th, 2005 at 4:59 pm (permalink)

  146. js replied:

    Boy – there are a lot of worked up people on this site! While I also believe Randall’s response could have been much more gracious (I definitely was calling him a few choice words immediately after the show), I put most of the blame on Trump and his way of stirring things up. Let’s remember that he’s doing this to make a buck and contoversy tends to get better ratings. Other than Bill, I haven’t seen any other previous winners being proclaimed as wonderful employees. This show has gotten more and more controversial and conivingly edited as the seasons have progressed and if you are really upset about the inaccurate and horrible portrayal of people, you’ll do as I am and not watch it in the future!

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:00 pm (permalink)

  147. sarah replied:

    we can debate who deserved to win until the end of time – you’re probably right, Randal deserved to win. Nevertheless, no one is a racist for complaining that he acted like a jerk at the finale – if a white man had done what randall did, we would all feel the same way. Honestly, Derrick and others – if “josh” had been up there with Rebecca, and he had been as successful as Randal and did the same thing Randal did, wouldn’t you be pissed and think he was a jerk?

    Especially since Randall was kissing Rebecca’s a&# the whole time saying how she was great and how he wanted it to be her in the finals with him, etc. He came across as a phony when he turned from Mr. Nice Guy to Mr. Jerk.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:03 pm (permalink)

  148. Mike replied:

    96 Chad great post – agree with everything you said, except the last sentence. That’s way too harsh for a split second decision he had to make. It feel it should have been any easy choice (and I am sure Trump probably thought so also), but it obviously caught him off guard.

    99Derrick – Rebecca was not the best second place Apprentice candidate ever. The time was simply right to do something a little different in the world of Reality TV. Hiring both Bill and Kwame in the first Apprentice would not have had the same feel good, surpise ending impact that a double hire last night would have. Had the first Apprentice candidates been on last night’s show, Trump would have made a similar offer to Bill to hire Kwame.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:03 pm (permalink)

  149. RealityTVFan replied:

    Derrick, my answer is this. Trump put him in that position to see how he would handle it. Trump did it intentionally. If is my opinion that he didn’t give Trump the answer he was looking for. In business you are put in hard positions all the time and your boss is looking for how you handle it.

    I like Randal and think he should have won, and he did. I just don’t understand why it would have diminished him to have her to.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:03 pm (permalink)

  150. Derrick replied:

    Josh, IMHO, would’ve done the exact same thing as Randall. And rightfully so.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:04 pm (permalink)

  151. Ellen Cole replied:

    If Rebecca had been chosen I would bet that she would have let Randall be hired also, she is NOT as self centered as he is. Trump should hire them both, he should decide not let Randall decide. Trump should be fair about it. Rebecca is the better person.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:06 pm (permalink)

  152. NeSheryl replied:

    Realitytvfan- why was he put in the situation to begin with? no winners before were put on the spot like that before. He wasn’t even given the chance to celebrate properly. I mean, seconds after he won, he was put on the spot like that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:07 pm (permalink)

  153. Derrick replied:

    RealityTVFan, you still haven’t answered another question I had…Randall was asked if Rebecca was tough enough to work in the Trump organization. Randall said she wasn’t. Wouldn’t he be a hypocrite to turn around and say she should be hired? Everyone talks about integrity. His reputation is on the line if she’s hired and doesn’t prove to be tough enough as he said.

    As far as Randall kissing her a**, he said she was great and wanted her in the final. Doesn’t mean he’d hire her.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:07 pm (permalink)

  154. Derrick replied:

    Rebecca wasn’t better than Josh. Rebecca wasn’t better than Alla. She shouldn’t have been in the final in the first place.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:08 pm (permalink)

  155. Kara replied:

    Ellen Cole, do you know Randall personally, I hope so for you to call him selfish, you don’t know him. Rebecca did not win, obviously not the better person.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:08 pm (permalink)

  156. Mike replied:

    122DG You’re right. However, it would have been a better moment coming from Randal for the following reasons.

    1. Randal was the winner and deserves to be “The Apprentice”.
    2. Tie games tend to be unsatisfying. There needs to be a winner.
    3. Randal and Rebecca were close when they worked together and had a lot of respect for each other. It was a nice gift for Trump to let Randal make the hire of his friend. This would have been more feel good than Trump doing it himself.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:09 pm (permalink)

  157. Lori replied:

    Randall won because he EARNED it, and Rebecca should have been fired long ago when she stood behind Toral and alienated herself amongst all of her team mates (“Stand with anybody that stands right, stand with him while he is right and part with him when he goes wrong.” – Abraham Lincoln). That was a poor decision and showed her inability to be the next apprentice, I’m so sick of her being praised for her so-called loyalty, when she should have been condemned for her stupidity! Why would or should Randall share his success with a loser? And why do you concern yourselves with HIS decision?? That’s his perogative, SO BE IT! Now, let’s all go get a life and find something else to complain about…

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:09 pm (permalink)

  158. RealityTVFan replied:

    NeSheryl – Hey it is a new season with lots of new twists…four people getting fired at the same time etc.. What is wrong with changing up the show. Big deal if he was put on the spot, he could have done the right thing for the business and as a person and then kept on celebrating. Again, if he works for Trump he is going to be put on the spot all the time, he better get used to it.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:10 pm (permalink)

  159. Laura replied:

    People keep calling Trump a racist for not having any African Americans in his organization, but did anyone notice that Randall’s whole office was African American except for the receptionist who appeared to be white. Should we say Randall is a racist,too?

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:11 pm (permalink)

  160. Derrick replied:

    Yeah, like that’s something you see everyday. Did you ever stop to think that maybe he works in a predominately black neighborhood? Or maybe just the board members are white? I’m sure the people in the meeting weren’t his only employees.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:13 pm (permalink)

  161. Kara replied:

    Laura, maybe Randall is giving his people a chance for employment, since we all know race discrimination still exists.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:14 pm (permalink)

  162. Derrick replied:

    Excuse me…I meant maybe the board members are black. I misspoke there. Long day.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:14 pm (permalink)

  163. RealityTVFan replied:

    Derrick, ok, that is a decent point. I grant you that. Although, it was during the heat of battle and they had both deviated pretty abruptly from their earlier praise of each other. If you were trying to win the job what answer would you have given?….of course he is going to say she is not tough enough.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:14 pm (permalink)

  164. sarah replied:

    Lori, I think you’re right. I think we all agree Randal probably deserved to win over Rebecca. It’s just a matter of whether he acted like an a-hole or not in his final comments. To most people, it was a complete shock b/c it seemed totally out of character for him. Nevertheless, he won fair and square and had the right to make the decision he did. My opinion of his actions are irrelevant – let’s face it, to really succeed in business you’re not always going to come across as the nice guy. He risked his reputation in making the comments he made, and now some people are less fond of him. No big deal, he wasn’t trying to win a popularity contest, he was trying to win the apprentice. In the end, DT made the decision; randal’s opinion aside.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:15 pm (permalink)

  165. Mike replied:

    153 Derrick

    Your question re: hypocrisy
    IMO, when two people are interviewing against each other they are doing their best to win and make themselves look better compared to the other. They know there is only one winner and they want to win. Therefore what they say during the competition should not be confused with how they might really feel. No contestant is going to sit there and tell you they should hire the other person because the other person is better.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:16 pm (permalink)

  166. Lori replied:

    WHO WAS THE IDIOT THAT BROUGHT RACE INTO THIS MATTER? HOW DUMB IS THAT? C’MON, CAN’T YOU FIND ANYTHING ELSE TO WASTE YOUR TIME WITH? PLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEASE! IF YOU THINK THE COLOR OF ANY OF THEIR SKIN AFFECTED THE FINAL DECISION, THEN I GUESS YOU’RE ABOUT AS LAME AS TORAL! GET A LIFE AND LET’S CHAT ABOUT THE GREAT ACCOMPLISHMENT OF TRUMP’S NEW APPRENTICE!

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:16 pm (permalink)

  167. Derrick replied:

    But RealityFTVFan, you can’t assume that he didn’t feel that way about her. If that’s the case, and he said that in the heat of the moment, then he lied. The man has been honest the entire season. Why the need to lie in the board room when he had so much ammo backing him up?

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:17 pm (permalink)

  168. sarah replied:

    one other comment – I DID notice (to be fair), that when Randall was saying Rebecca shouldn’t be hired, MANY of the booted contestants (including Felicia, Alla, Josh, etc.) were cheering on his decision and agreed. I could see them in the background and I tivo’d it, so I’m confident that maybe editing made Rebecca out to be more successful than she really was.

    Also, none of the female contestants (besides Toral) seemed to like her. That seems really strange to me b/c she seemed like such a nice person. There must be something going on behind the scenes that we weren’t aware of.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:18 pm (permalink)

  169. Mike replied:

    163 Reality TV Fan – you said it better, thanks

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:18 pm (permalink)

  170. shawn replied:

    Randall stated the show was the Apprentice, not the Apprenti. I wonder if he has realized that he is the fourth Apprentice and not the first.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:19 pm (permalink)

  171. sarah replied:

    also, isn’t it apprentices, not apprenti?

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:21 pm (permalink)

  172. Derrick replied:

    sarah, that’s an excellent point, and I think she wa edited to be a lot better than she was. Alla even said Rebecca didn’t show her anything, which is why she was traded to the other team.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:22 pm (permalink)

  173. Debi Bolusi replied:

    I am glad I am able to get on this site to just vent a little. After watching this season of The Apprentice (first time watching the whole season through), I felt that the two candidates were both exceptional and would be an asset to the Trump organization. The right choices were made for the final two. About half way through the show, I got the feeling that Trump may hire both of them. A comment he made about them both being “stars” made me feel that way. Well I was very excited when he posed the question to Randal, but in an instant that excitement turned to disappointment. I feel Randal made a big mistake with his first executive decision in this organization. What about loyalty, as Trump is always talking about? There was no loyalty at all, only greed. I had respected and admired Randal all throughout the show, but my opinion totally changed in that instant. Had the shoe been on the other foot, would Rebecca have made the same decision? I feel both Rebecca and Randal would be an asset to the Trump organization, and I think Trump knows that. I think we will see that he does hire Rebecca, because he would be a fool to let her go.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:25 pm (permalink)

  174. Derrick replied:

    Randal’s loyalties were not to Rebecca. If Randal should hire anyone out of loyalty, it should be someone or all members of his team for making the charity event as successful as it was. Rebecca played no part in his success that day, nor most of the time he was there.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:30 pm (permalink)

  175. SickofUpeople replied:

    Shawn, Reality TB Fan, are the real jerks. Randall is right, it is the Apprentice. Why does should he share this moment with the pretty little loser. She lost, get over it. This crap reminds me of American Idol, Clay Akin lost to Ruben Stutter, however you people raised up Gay Akin…I mean Clay Akin as if he won. I see through you people, as soon as he would have let that loser share his glory, she would have gotten all the attention and credit as if she had won. She is a loser!!! and so are you people.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:33 pm (permalink)

  176. Justin aka Juice replied:

    The joke is on you Trump thinking you had just hired a choir boy lol. Randall I think can be kind and very ruthless. Everyday people might not find these qualities as good trait but in the business world. These qualities are what make you successful or not. I don’t know for sure if Trump is racist but if he is he just made a huge mistake in hiring Randall lol. The man has a mind lol.

    Regarding Randall’s decision of not supporting the hiring of Rebecca, I can’t fault him for that. As Randall stated that is the ‘Apprentice and not the Apprenti’. Oh how I love that quote. I think people should be realistic about the task, Rebecca made 0 dollars and that is not an O but a zero, nada. If this was a normal task like in the previous weeks she would have been fired instantly.

    IMO she failed miserable and the competition were not even that close. If the Donald had really wanted to hire her he could have done that after the show, like he did to Andy.

    As Randal stated it is what I can’t hear ya all. What! Louder! That’s right it is the Apprentice not the Apprenti. Damn Randall You Are The Man.
    Good Luck

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:34 pm (permalink)

  177. Mike replied:

    173 Debi Good thoughts

    I was ready to jump out of my seat when I thought he was going to hire them both. When Randal said no, it was huge letdown and disappointment.

    Let’s be honest, its all about the show. Its over now – no one watching these shows really cares whether the Trump organization made good hires or whether these projects succeed. I am sure people wish all the Apprentices well (as I do) but not once have I ever been curious enough to check how past Apprentices did with their projects.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:38 pm (permalink)

  178. Marsha replied:

    Randall was infinitely deserving to win. However, I was extremely disappointed in his final decision regarding Rebecca. I think that Mr. Trump was, too. That’s not a good way to start out an apprenticeship. Randall was the first choice, and the world knows that. It’s a shame he cast a shadow on his accomplishment. I do want to note that Mr. Trump still has the option of hiring Rebecca and feel he would be rewarded greatly if he does.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:42 pm (permalink)

  179. Lori replied:

    RE: 175 SickofUpeople

    You said it! Now, let’s see if all the stupid people here (and across the world) will lift up the LOSER Rebecca and make some poor sympathetic plea and she ends up being more successful than Randall… that would suck, but we saw it happen with Clay and Ruben… WHAT A SHAME! IT’S A CONTEST PEOPLE, ONE WINNER AND THE REST ARE LOSERS, LET THEM STAY THAT WAY!!

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:44 pm (permalink)

  180. greg replied:

    I think having trump ask randal about rebecca gives a scenario im sure we
    didnt consider. What if Trump would have instead of hiring both as the apprentice but instead hired randal and have Rebecca work for him???
    Even if that wasnt the case i still strongly defend randal from having to have both win since it ruins the game. i mean if trump did this each
    season why bother??? you need one winner and one loser. And if you play this back he didnt say one will be hired and one will be fired. Also did i miss the interview episodes they have with CEO’s?

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:45 pm (permalink)

  181. Charles replied:

    As for the final tasks, both Candidates had their share of gaffs. However, the objective of the task was to organize a fund raiser for the respective charities. Therefore, the success of the task should be measured by which candidate raised the most funds for the charities. While Randall raised $11,000 as he focused on awareness building for his charity, Rebecca raised $0 and much of the PR was focused on Yahoo. The Elizabeth Glaser Foundation was a side note.

    Many of the people judging the two tasks are mesmerized by the backdrop and the venue. One event was held indoors at a trendy club vs. an outdoor event at a flooded ballpark. As much as people point out Randall not having plan B neither team had a plan B. Think about it. Did Rebecca have a plan B in case the club caught on fire prior to the event? The clear winner was Randall for raising the most money and raising awareness for the charity. It wasn’t even close.

    Was Randall selfish in not allowing Rebecca to share his Apprentice spotlight? Absolutely not!!! I’m sure the 20% of the Americans who owns 80% of the wealth understood where Randall was coming from. I can’t believe this is even a debate. This isn’t kindergarten where “everyone is a winner and gets a trophy”. This isn’t an awards banquet for Gaylord Focker to receive his 8th place trophy (‘Meet the Fockers’). Everyone knew from the start that this was a competition. Trump reminded us at the beginning of each episode that “There will only be one winnner…which will be my next Apprentice”.

    First let’s look at the facts: Randall was 3 -0 as project manager and Rebecca was 1 -2. The only project she won was at the end when she and Randall were the team. Randall gave her a lot of feedback on the task when the task wasn’t shaping up. Would she have won the task if she was teamed up with Felicia instead? Probably not! I think it would have become a final between Alla and Randall. Secondly, Rebecca dissed Randall in the boardroom after the XM Radio loss. She said she wished “Randall would have stepped up more”. This took Randall by surprise as it lowered his stock in Trumps eye. Was that tactical or an honest comment? Randall on the other hand never talked bad about her even though the task failed because Rebecca made decisions which failed to connect with the market for XM-cafe. If he was as vicious as some of the other contestants, he could have destroyed her in that boardroom and sent her packing. Instead he chose to discuss and resolve the matter with Rebecca privately.

    Randall has also saved Trump from a PR nightmare. There were grumblings among certain (influential) black communities about (paraphrasing) why does a black man have to have “all that” (degrees) to be considered equal in the white man’s world. In another words why does an African-American always have to be exceptional to be considered equal to a mediocre Caucasian counterpart (I think some of you can relate to this)? Clearly from the standpoint of education, business experience Randall is far ahead of Rebecca. From his record as a PM in the competition he is hands down winner. Based on the results – the bottom line of the final task he is a hands down winner. From the consensus opinion of his fellow contestants, whom both lived with Rebecca and Randall 24/7 for a period of time, he is a hands on winner. Randall comes from a humble begginings. Rebecca comes from a family with connections. Her mother is an accomplished journalist for the Chicago Tribune (city where Rebecca works). Randall clearly had more obstacles and experience counts a lot in business. What else does Randall have to do? It would have been an absolute PR disaster for Trump to co-hire Rebecca. African American leaders would have been all over it!

    In the end, it wasn’t Randall’s decision to hire Rebecca it was Trumps. He could have hired Rebecca after the show – away from the limelight. Not as a co-apprentice but as regular employee. I’m sure Randall wouldn’t have any problem with that. What he had a problem is that he worked hard and sacrificed a lot to get to where he is. He trained hard and ran the race fair and square. He clearly crossed the finish line ahead of his competition. It would have been a travesty to share the gold medal with the sprinter who finished behind him. It would be an absolute insult! It would have been more controversial with some perceived racial overtones.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:45 pm (permalink)

  182. Mike replied:

    178 Marsha

    I kind of doubt he will hire Rebecca now. Even though few people would hear about it, it would cast a bad light on what happened on the show. Trump seems to be a guy who sticks by his decisions.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:46 pm (permalink)

  183. Mike replied:

    Here’s a question for you guys –

    Trump had decided that Rebecca should be hired and fully expected Randal to say yes – True or False?

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:49 pm (permalink)

  184. Hank replied:

    Why is everyone so sure that Rebecca made nothing for the charity? It stands to reason that some pledge cards and checks were remitted later by the attendees. Of course, we all know how this TV show was edited so as to present the exact message desired by Trump. I’m glad I have better things to do than be a fan of a “TV Reality Show”.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:50 pm (permalink)

  185. Justin aka Juice replied:

    Oh Charles where did you just come from. Dude I could shake your hand well said.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:51 pm (permalink)

  186. Marsha replied:

    Mike, my point exactly. Absolutely true. Randall misread Mr. Trump in his excitement and gave the wrong answer. Hope he doesn’t do that again.

    December 16th, 2005 at 5:55 pm (permalink)

  187. blondandblue replied:

    I am not a faithful Apprentice watcher but I did see the finale and have seen several episodes from every season. I felt from the moment Rebecca and Randall sat down on the stage that Trump might try to somehow find a way to hire them both. I don’t know why, but I did wonder was he trying to avoid the possibility of any controversy of picking one over the other. In the end I think Trump put Randall in the bad position of making the call. The same way Randall could have said to hire them both, Trump could have said it. I felt he ducked the storm by letting Randall look like the bad guy.

    Let’s be honest, if he had chosen them both, people would not be happy because we would all wonder why on this one time, he chose two and not one. There have been other finales where BOTH finalist did the tasks well, (did she really DO the task when she raised NO money for the charity???), BOTH finalist were equally liked, educated and experienced and yet Trump was able to chose ONE winner and did not mention hiring both, nor did he put the winner in the position of making the call. I tfelt it was poor timing the way Trump made the suggestion. Why not mention that in the boardroom?? why not mention it before he made his decision?? You would give them both a chance to make a sound, well thought out decision and not catch them three seconds after you announce the winner…not to mention you are doing something up until that second had NEVER been done or mentioned. I have since that Randall said had he had time to think clearly and rationally and not put on the spot, he would have said something differently, or with more tact, but hindsight is 20/20. Once again, I think Trump thought of a good way, to take himself off the hot seat and let Randall catch that bullet. :-)

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:01 pm (permalink)

  188. Michael replied:

    It happened on Survivor an dit happened here. Selfishness shown through and people are divided. Race has nothing to do with anything in my book, it’s about being a good person. Randall would have gotten a lot of praise for allowing Rebecca a chance to succeed. Maybe he does fit in well with the top 20% as Charles said, but it doesn’t mean they are the better percentage.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:01 pm (permalink)

  189. ApprenticeFan replied:

    Randal, You really disappointed me. Your own words, INTERVIEWER: “When will you consider yourself “a success”? RANDAL: A friend once told me that success is measured by the number of people you help to become successful. I will consider myself a success when I am in a position…with the hope of helping others to become successful.”

    Then, when such a HUGE chance comes along, probably the BIGGEST chance you may ever have in your entire life, you blew it. You could have pulled the trigger on swaying Trump to hire Rebecca, and you decide to hog the spotlight. Not good…not good!

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:03 pm (permalink)

  190. Mike replied:

    181 Charles – interesting post

    You make a convincing argument that Randal was the better choice and I completely agree.

    Regarding the Plan B I would argue that rainouts could be considered a common occurrence, whereas the likelihood of a fire is so remote it shouldn’t require a Plan B.

    You seem to view the potential hiring of Rebecca as sharing the title.
    I didn’t see it that way at all. Randal was clearly chosen as the winner and in my opinion would have been seen as the winner even if Rebecca had also been hired. Additionally, the way Trump handled it, i.e. by letting Randal be the one to hire her would have reinforced the fact that Randal won and that he was making his his first decision as the new Apprentice.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:08 pm (permalink)

  191. RealityTVFan replied:

    ApprenticeFan #189 – That is it – period end of story! We all think he should have won, but could have helped another along the way, making himself more successful for doing so.
    Mike #190 – Yup, no title sharing at all. Just someone doing right by someone else whom they had expressed admiration for the whole time.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:13 pm (permalink)

  192. blondandblue replied:

    Good point Mike, but once again, if it is about Randall making his first decision as the apprentice, why not ask him to select any of those on the show to work for him. Better yet mention that option before that exact moment. I did think Randall achieved the ultimate goal, who the actual winner was did not concern me as as much as the thought it was poor judgment on Trump’s part.

    And you are right we may never know if someone went home and wrote out a chec for the donation, but the fact that we can’t even measure how well you reached your goal…is a problem.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:15 pm (permalink)

  193. fanofran replied:

    I just don’t get some people. Yes, Randall could have shared the spotlight but why should he? Not one other Apprentice was asked to share the winners circle, why now.
    Why didn’t Trump ask that question when Bill Rancic won and Kwame was just as talented. Trump was wrong to ask and I applaud Randall for his response. Oh by the way, someone here made the statement that Randall was ignorant—— ARE YOU KIDDING ME?????

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:16 pm (permalink)

  194. Scott replied:

    Enough of this racist BS discussion. Randall won because he was the best candidate period! Not white, not black, just the best candidate, which is what Trump was looking for. However, everyone that keeps referring to Rebecca as a “cute white girl” or a “cute, SPUNDKY chick”, instead of the extremely qualified candidate that she is, might want to check themselves. Randall was a fine, outstanding and classy candidate” because of the way he acted throughout the course of the show. That being said he was given an opportunity that nobody has ever been given before and he dropped the ball. Having praised Rebecca and been loyal to Rebecca throughout the show Randall should have said “Rebecca would be a great person to hire outside of the Apprentice process”, or that “Rebecca does not have the experience to do the job of the Apprentice, but she should be hired in some capacity” (or even that he would like Rebecca to work under him b/c they worked so well together). Great ending to a great season…but it could have been even better.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:18 pm (permalink)

  195. RealityTVFan replied:

    Because, it is new season!! Was it fair for four people to get fired at the same time? Has that ever happened before? Quit comparing it to other seasons! It is a new season with new wrinkles.
    You say why should he share the spotlight, I say why shouldn’t he? Guess it just comes down to philosophy and how important you think individual accolades are vs. team play.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:20 pm (permalink)

  196. bunty replied:

    I am shocked at the candidate who was lauded for his “niceness” in the moment of his victory would not choose to help another. This is the male ego at its worst.

    It’s funny that some are making this a racial issue out of this. Have we forgotten that Rebecca is a minority also?

    I wonder if Randal would have been so selfish if Rebecca were a man? I think not. He wouldn’t have had the balls to cut the legs out from under a man like that.

    Conversely, I also wonder if Rebecca had won, would she have supported Randal for another position. Of course she would have.

    This has nothing to do with race and everything to do with gender.

    bunty

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:23 pm (permalink)

  197. Charles replied:

    My point about plan B is that it didn’t seem like an equal task when one required contingency planning while other didn’t. The fact still remains neither one of the team made an alternate plan.

    It was not the right time to hire Rebecca because it was Randall’s moment and by hiring her immediately after hiring Randall would have been preceived as sharing the title. That was Randall’s point and I agree with him. Its like winning the gold medal and than being asked to share it with the runner up. The action of hiring Rebecca and Randall is almost like a loss for Randall because he clearly won but he had to settle for a tie. Also Trump wasn’t asking Randall to hire Rebecca he asked Randall if he (Trump) shuold hire Rebecca. If Trump wanted Rebecca, he could have hired her later away from the spotlight.

    In the end Rebecca didn’t lose. She had proven herself a star at a such young age. I’m aure she will field some lucrative offers in the coming few weeks from several companies. Perhaps even a better offer than the Apprentice.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:29 pm (permalink)

  198. joi replied:

    It is strange that on previous episodes Donald Trump did not make this type of decision. Obviously on previous episodes the final two are always the cream of the crop. However this show was designed for one Apprentice. It is time that America stop playing this race game and let an African-American shine when he or she truly deserves it! If it was the other way around do you really think Rebecca would have shared the limelight? NOT Come on people be realistic this is a competition with one and only one winner. Let Randal have his glory. He won. He earned money. Bottom Line he was the best

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:30 pm (permalink)

  199. Justin aka Juice replied:

    Why would Randall tell Trump to hire Rebecca, when he probably thought Josh, Marshawn or even Alla would have made better employees? Wouldn’t that be going against his principles? I mean was Rebecca that good?

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:40 pm (permalink)

  200. bunty replied:

    Yes rebecca was that good. I thought she was the finest candidate ever on the Apprentice. Randal was overqualified for the job. If he wanted to work for trump he should have filled out an application and sent it to Trump with a resume. Rebecca could have been groomed to be an outstanding leader.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:44 pm (permalink)

  201. Rick replied:

    Some seriously disallusioned people in here. It’s a tv show! A tv show centered around conflict and controversy. And you want a “happy feel-good” ending? What?!? You hate the guy because he’s essentially asked to share his hard-earned spotlight with a 1-3 loser? 0 dollar bills earned DURING her final task versus 11 grand during his? As we say here in the “white-dominated” South: Y’all is some stupid people! If she was so great, Trump would’ve hired her. Instead, he used her (and Randall) for a cool news bite and more publicity for his show. And all of you haters certainly bit. Y’all should try going outside for a while. Enjoy the holidays away from the tv because it appears that many of you just can’t handle the stress!

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:44 pm (permalink)

  202. Charles replied:

    What I said was this would of had racial overtones. There is institutional racism and blatant racism. Institutional racism subconscioulsy assumes certain things about a person based on their race. People respond accordingly to the person based on that assumption. In many instances it may not be the intent but it is the perception.

    When you are not a minority member affected by it you would swear it has nothing to do with it. Based on your ‘Randall mistreated Rebecca because she was a woman’ comment you should understand where I’m coming from.

    December 16th, 2005 at 6:47 pm (permalink)

  203. Scott replied:

    Yes. Rebecca really would have shared the limelight b/c even when Randall went on the offensive saying how much better educated and experienced he was on the final episode, Rebecca only said how much she respected Randall. It is not a race thing it is a character thing, and I guess we all know what you would have done if you were in their position.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:02 pm (permalink)

  204. fanofran replied:

    Derrick,

    You go boyeeee ! !

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:07 pm (permalink)

  205. ernie replied:

    Randal was put in the ultimate position to show his character and he FAILED! Finally, he could he had humility and was unselfish and he said NO — I WANT IT ALL TO MYSELF. All the greatness (questionable) of Randal is overshadowed by his WEAK CHARACTER. It was pitiful; and for Donald to suggest Rebecca’s hiring and not TRUMP Randal and go forward makes him look like an even bigger idiot. Thanks Randal and Donald for teaching Selfishness and Greed! You suck.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:07 pm (permalink)

  206. bunty replied:

    I am a bleeding heart liberal from way back. I know all about institionalized racism and agree with the concept. But in this situation, Randal was in a position of power, of authority. He WAS the man, not answering to the man!

    And he showed his sexism by blasting rebecca.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:08 pm (permalink)

  207. Rick replied:

    Not true Scott. Rebecca also said that he “overthinks” among other things. Kinda funny though comming from a 1-3 loser about a 4-0 winner. Not much character there I’m afraid. She was pulling it out her a$$. Just as any of us would’ve done when it’s obvious that we’re about to lose. It was just business on both sides.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:09 pm (permalink)

  208. Lori replied:

    TO ALL YOU REBECCA FANS: She sucked and she was in the boardroom fighting to stay on the show too many times! Hello!! Trump even told her he should fire her in the boradroom where Toral wasn’t brought in. She’s too you and too naive and too inexperienced to have won, plain, simple and THAT’S ALL FOLKS! Now deal with her failure and loss and move on, she didn’t deserve it and she didn’t earn it. THE END…

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:11 pm (permalink)

  209. Rick replied:

    Nope bunty, he was just showing his pride. Imagine how your pride would be hit if you were asked by Trump to share the spotlight. It could’ve been Josh on the other side. He would’ve felt the same way.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:11 pm (permalink)

  210. Lori replied:

    OOPS, WHERE’S MY SPELLCHECK? SORRY…

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:12 pm (permalink)

  211. ernie replied:

    I found a great boradroom in Nantucket one hot summer.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:15 pm (permalink)

  212. ernie replied:

    And the gal I met there was WAY TOO you

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:17 pm (permalink)

  213. Rick replied:

    I read that Trump likes those Nantucket girls. There’s just something about them, I suppose.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:21 pm (permalink)

  214. bunty replied:

    Well, Rick, i think it shows the difference between male and female. males tend to be more competitive and females tend to be more cooperative. I have no doubt that rebecca would have recommended Randal to Trump as I woold have. I think the more people in the spotlight the better. let the sun shine down on all of us.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:23 pm (permalink)

  215. bob replied:

    typical blackman. loser!!!!!!!!!!

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:25 pm (permalink)

  216. Kay replied:

    Trump has already hired a non-winning Apprentice contestant in a lesser position in his empire. I don’t recall the gentleman’s name, but it was one that was booted about half way through the program. Does anyone remember who that guy was? It was either last season (not this one) or the season before.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:25 pm (permalink)

  217. Rick replied:

    I hear ya bunty. It would’ve been cute to have them both. But, you can’t put someone in a situation where they must compete to survive and just 2 minutes later ask them to share with the competitor. I’m sorry y’all but Randall ain’t Jesus. He’s just human. Go figure.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:32 pm (permalink)

  218. bunty replied:

    yYa, Rick you have a good point there. Trump put Randal in a difficult situation. If Trump had wanted Rebecca he could have hired her on the spot.

    But Randal would have come off as a shining star had he stood up ro R. But you are right, it is tough to turn off the competitive juices.

    Good chat, thanks.

    bunty

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:46 pm (permalink)

  219. Rick replied:

    Agreed bunty!

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:48 pm (permalink)

  220. Suzanne replied:

    Can anyone point to a specific example of when Rebecca showed that she was even slightly qualified for such a huge position? And yes, I do believe Trump was offering her an equal position because of the comment he made after she told him which project she’d like.

    Rebecca’s performance throughout the season was poor. She lost more than one task and each time found a scapegoat to take the blame. This time she lost so outrageously there was nobody to blame. Who has ever thrown a benefit that didn’t raise a single penny? She let the charity down, made Yahoo look terrible, and just plain failed! The question everyone should be asking is why was Trump so determined to hang on to Rebecca throughout this season and even to the very end after such a botched job, and why downplay her failures? She brought nothing to the table. There are vague comments being made here about her being classy and qualified, but no specifics to point to. She couldn’t even throw a small event at a senior center, but blamed that on a misspelled cake. She missed the point with the songwriting task, but had Clay to take the fall. When did she excel and show that she could be trusted with a huge construction project?

    More to the point, why should Randall recommend her for a job when more qualified candidates were sitting a few yards away? Why should he “share” with her and not with one of the other fired but more qualified candidates? Is this about pity or about business? Recommending her for hiring would’ve been a slap in the face to all of the other candidates who had been cut, some of whom were Rebecca’s scapegoats.

    December 16th, 2005 at 7:55 pm (permalink)

  221. Rick replied:

    Exactly Suzanne! Even if they weren’t sharing the limelight, why would you vouch for a competitor that you just creamed? 11000 to ZERO. Alla was right on target. Just because she worked through some pain doesn’t mean she can do the job. Steffi Graf played through several injuries in her tennis career and had several tournament wins. That doesn’t mean she can manage a construction project in New Jersey. The fact remains that Becks ended the competition 1-3. And that one win was greatly influenced by Randall’s efforts to earn her a win. Even Becks herself made several statements during that one winning task concerning her crappy record.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:11 pm (permalink)

  222. Mike replied:

    201Rick

    Yes, that’s exactly what we want! Something different and unexpected on a reality show. Trump’s whole shtick is playing the ruthless boss, with his trademark “You’re fired” and reaming people out in the boardroom. A feel good ending like this *at this time* would have made for a perfect show. Obviously, it has to be an exception to the rule for it to have the desired effect, and in this, the fourth season, it would have been exactly that.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:20 pm (permalink)

  223. Chris replied:

    Lynn, did you just say that Randall was a “classy hunk”?! Have you f*ckin’ seen the guy?! His nose is like…like the abomination of all noses. The guy is not a hunk, I’d say he looks more like some sort of rat man.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:22 pm (permalink)

  224. Kay replied:

    I felt all along that Randal was going to win. How could anyone else compete with a 34 year old with years and years of experience and eons of education, and running five companies–yet he still felt that he couldn’t make it without this competition? Why would he agree to compete with people in their early twenties? Not exactly a level playing field. It would have been embarrassing if he hadn’t won. So he made his first bad business decision by not letting Trump hire Rebecca. He would still have been the Apprentice winner and a bigger star (and man) if he let her have the opportunity, like he said about helping others reach success in his interview. I’ve watched all of the seasons and the only other time the two finalists were equally matched was when it was Bill and Kwame. The goofy M-K rep who was a finalist was truly out of her element. And I’m not slamming M-K either. I think they should lower the age limit for contestants. After 30, you are already too seasoned to be on the show. No challenge there. I say congrats to Randal. To Rebecca–watch for the other doors to open–there will be plenty of fabulous opportunities for you!

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:25 pm (permalink)

  225. Rick replied:

    One thing I’ll agree with the Randall haters about is his sarcasm at the end of the show. That got me thinking. There have been rumors about The Donald hiring 2 people for the past 2-3 weeks. I’m sure Randall and Becks got wind of that. So I imagine part of Randall’s joy when Trump initially hired him was due to his relief that the victory was his and his alone. Imagine going through 13 weeks of crap, away from his family, and all that RAIN!!! LOL! Only to learn that you may have to share the prize with a less qualified opponent. And just when you think those rumors were just rumors, Trump stabs you in the gut with “Shouldn’t I hire Rebecca, too?” At that point, Randall was BACK in the BOARDROOM again. He was in all out defense mode. Even Becks looked hurt. I wonder if her pain was from Randall not giving her the thumbs-up, or from Trump not making the executive decision of hiring her. It seemed like Trump stabbed them both. Trump should’ve worded it differently: “Randall, you are THE APPRENTICE. I’m going to bring Rebecca in also. . . as your assistant. If you approve of course.”

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:27 pm (permalink)

  226. Joe Plankin replied:

    I feel they were both equally deserving of the hiring, so it should’ve been a tie and they both should’ve been hired. In American Idol, there is a voting, so there can’t really be a tie. But in this, I feel they were both so deserving of the hiring that they both should’ve gotten it. On that level, i’m disappointed.

    I think that Rebecca is a better human being than Randal. I’m not really talking about his decision- it was his opinion. I can’t really explain myself, but for most of the process I was leaning towards Rebecca just because I think she is a remarkable human being. Randal’s always seemed nice, but rather boring. I think in the final episode, however, he truly made himself seem assholy. I’m not talking about his decision. I think he acted similarly as Alla did. I think the whole thing was similar to the Alla/Felisha episode. They were both friends, and Rebecca was being very very nice to Randal; she was very respectful. I think throughout the entire final boardroom, randal seemed desperate and was unnecessarily bashing Rebecca. Kendra last year had A LOOOTTT to blame Tana for and could’ve bashed her and it would’ve been great. But I think Kendra was more mature than that, and instead just focused on herself and in a very respectful manner. I wish that Randal could have done the same.

    Rebecca has a way with words that Randal simply doesn’t. I’m not saying he’s bad in the boardroom, but I think that when Rebecca speaks in the boadroom, she is absolutely flawless.

    I think Randal definitely deserved the hiring. Absolutely, no question. i think his behavior in the final boardroom was questionable, but i don’t think he qualifies as a “jerk”. Seriously, it was his opinion, and he might’ve said it badly, but he felt that there is just one apprentice. I personally disagree as I believe it really was a tie. But life goes on. I really felt bad for Rebecca after she got somewhat backstabbed by her “friend” and when Alla completely unnecessarily bashed her (alla COMPLETELY lost ALL points in my book) and i think she’s had to go through a lot. I wish I could meet her and I wish her the best of luck.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:33 pm (permalink)

  227. Rick replied:

    Kay, only the losers want to be on equal footing with their opponents. The winners want none of that. Randall was very much “a man” by standing up for himself and his status. Make no mistake, Bush would never have given Kerry a spot in his cabinet. And if Kerry won, same thing. Business and competition just don’t work that way. (And doesn’t make for good edg-of-your-seat reality tv drama!!!) And even if I were Becks, I would have gracefully declined. How insulting!

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:35 pm (permalink)

  228. Rick replied:

    Joe, you’re exactly right. Rebecca was AWESOME in the boardroom. She always measured her words very carefully. Then again, she should be a great boardroom opponent. . . She got LOTS of practice! Unlike Randall who was NEVER in the boardroom as a PM!

    I’m not sure about her being a better human being though. She did stab him in the back in the XM Radio boardroom. Remember that? She even had a little talk with him about it in the suite on the next episode. But that’s all part of the game. I don’t think any of them are examples of good human beings. . . yet.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:45 pm (permalink)

  229. Kay replied:

    Rick, wouldn’t that have made even more great water cooler conversation if Rebecca was offered the second best opportunity and turned it down? Everyone would be talking about how ungrateful she was, right? I would have liked to see a McCain/Kerry or Kerry/McCain ticket. Can you just imagine the havoc that would have caused? LOL. Would you rather be a big fish in a little pond or a little fish in a big pond? I personally couldn’t feel victorious unless I was competing against my peer group, but that’s just me.

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:49 pm (permalink)

  230. Rick replied:

    LOL. That’s good point! I never thought of it that way. It could be a whole new reality show spin-off. . . a real-life Odd Couple!

    December 16th, 2005 at 8:52 pm (permalink)

  231. Lori replied:

    chris that just goes to show how limited your brain works… so randall doesn’t look like a hollywood hunk, but his personality and integrity shine brighter than a mere pretty face. that’s why men are from mars and women are from venus – we can obtain attraction through intellect and logic, where most men just look for the breasts! YOU’RE AN IDIOT!

    December 16th, 2005 at 9:46 pm (permalink)

  232. Mo replied:

    Randal deserved to win. He was clearly the better candidate. I have nothing against Rebecca because I think she did an outstanding job. You would never believe that she was 23. I think she would make a good apprentice, as well. But, I don’t believe Randal was selfish at all. Why should he have to share the spotlight? None of the other 3 apprentices had to. On the show’s introduction every week, Donald Trump states that there can only be ONE apprentice.

    Let’s be realistic….the gymnast Paul Hamm didn’t want to share his Gold medal with another gymnast who supposedly was robbed by a judge. In the men’s NCAA basketball tournament North Carolina wasn’t asked to share their title with Illinois because they were ALMOST as good. New England wasn’t asked to share their super bowl title with Philadelphia and Carolina because the score was close.

    AND, if you LISTENED to what he actually said, he stated that “if you’re going to hire someone TONIGHT it should be one.” Trump could hire her tomorrow. I think she would be a great addition. In fact, Donald Trump really should not have put that decision on Randal. If he wants to hire her, hire her. Don’t base it on Randal’s decision.

    December 16th, 2005 at 9:47 pm (permalink)

  233. Mo replied:

    Oh and this is for Kay, the one that asked about one of the contestants that hired in a lesser position in Trump’s organization. I think it was Troy from season 1.

    December 16th, 2005 at 9:52 pm (permalink)

  234. Lori replied:

    TO SUZANNE:

    THAT’S WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL DAY! REBECCA HAS ONLY DISPLAYED FAILURE AND HER ONLY WIN WAS DUE TO RANDALL’S HELPING HAND. HE OWES HER NOTHING BECAUSE SHE PROVED NOTHING EXCEPT SOMETIMES EVEN INADEQUATE PEOPLE CAN SOMEHOW MAKE IT THAT FAR.

    December 16th, 2005 at 9:58 pm (permalink)

  235. Chandra replied:

    This has never been done before because there’s never been two so deserving candidates before but there was last night. Donald Trump wanted to hire both I think and he should have. But Randal had me fooled, he really had me fooled into thinking he was the great nice guy he made himself out to be and the guy everyone said he was.

    And for those who say he earned the spotlight on his own as a black man, that’s bullshit and a setback to everything the Civil Rights movement stood for.

    He’s a selfish egomaniacal jerk and I hope Donald Trump hires her anyways since it’s obvious that #1 – He was terrified at the thought of Rebecca doing better than he even though that wouldn’t have mattered and #2 – to Alla, you are one jealous skanky bitch.

    December 16th, 2005 at 10:17 pm (permalink)

  236. Lori replied:

    chandra you and your ignorance and vulgar should go to another site…

    December 16th, 2005 at 10:41 pm (permalink)

  237. LT replied:

    I’ve been a fan since the first season, but last night was the last time that I will watch this show. I had already started to slowly lose respect for Donald Trump as I saw the inconsistent and hypocritical decisions that were made over the past few seasons. Last night was the final straw. It was extremely unfair to place Randall in such a difficult position. As the leader of the Trump organization, he should have stepped up and made the difficult decision to hire Rebecca – this should not have been placed on Randall’s shoulders. Randall had not been given the opportunity to celebrate his victory – he didn’t even have the chance to hug his wife – before Trump tainted his win. The headlines should read “Randall crowned Apprentice” or “Congratulations, Randall- instead, we see headlines calling him selfish, when he only wanted to claim what was rightfully his – the winner’s seat, just like all of the other Apprentices. No other winner has received such a slap in the face. This face just happened to be black. Coincidence? I think not. Shame on Donald Trump. If he didn’t want this to turn into a racial issue, he should not have tried the “two winners” tactic the very first time that an African-American was selected as the winner.

    December 16th, 2005 at 10:51 pm (permalink)

  238. Lori replied:

    you know ct (or is cj? can’t tell with the number bullet in the way) that is the first time i thought of a racial issue here, i think you might just be on to something! so many others are targeting another racial matter, but i think you may have hit it on the nose! thank you.

    December 16th, 2005 at 11:00 pm (permalink)

  239. Rick replied:

    Another unfortunate problem caused by The Donald’s bad judgement Lori. It will be viewed by many that Trump can’t hire an African American without hiring a Caucasian at the same time. I don’t think that was his intention, but, it may become a perception. Y’all need to keep in mind that Trump’s personal and professional life are RIFE with bad decisions. So we shouldn’t be surprised about this one. He should’ve just kept to the rules of his own show and what he said in the beginning about ONE of the contestants being THE apprentice. Poor Randall. No other apprentice has had to deal with such controversy. Well, except for his indirectly insulting Kendra by directly insulting the cast of last season.

    December 16th, 2005 at 11:25 pm (permalink)

  240. Susan replied:

    I’m simply replying to Lydia (comment #38). If the word were Latin “apprentus” then the plural would be “apprenti” but that isn’t the case at all. The word “apprentice” comes from Old French “apprentis” and French does not make its plurals that way. It’s always very telling what people say when they are under stress, and it’s interesting that Randall reached out for a non-existent Latin-sounding word instead of the simple adding of an s to what is an English word.

    December 16th, 2005 at 11:32 pm (permalink)

  241. Rick replied:

    Susan, look up the definition for the word “sarcasm.”
    Then come back now, ya hear!

    December 16th, 2005 at 11:35 pm (permalink)

  242. Rick replied:

    Oops. When I typed “No other apprentice has had to deal with such controversy. Well, except for his indirectly insulting Kendra by directly insulting the cast of last season.” I was referring to Trump’s statements about the low quality of last season’s contestants and NOT anything Randall said. Just clearing that up.

    December 16th, 2005 at 11:49 pm (permalink)

  243. cri replied:

    Randal is an inconsiderate, selfish, back-stabber. Trump picked him as the WINNER, THE APPRENTICE. He then asked Randal if Rebecca should be HIRED. He didn’t ask him if she should be the Co-Apprentice. Why could she not have been hired as the runner-up Apprentice and given the job she asked for? She would not have assumed the role as the winner of the Apprentice. She was second in line. It would not have affected Randal in the least. Randal would still have been the winner and would have shown the world he was the nice guy everyone assumed he was and that he is not a racist. (When they showed a clip of him conducting a meeting in one of his businesses, there wasn’t a white face to be seen. I wonder if he would have shared the spotlight if Marshawn was in Rebecca’s place?). Now, according to the polls, an overwhelming majority think he’s an ass. And a very qualified Rebecca could have gotten the job she wanted and Randal would have gotten the job he wanted and also the spotlight as the clear winner. In many sports competitions there are runner-up awards but usually only one clear winner. She certainly showed she has what it takes to work for Trump. Trump changed the game plan throughout the series to keep it from getting stale, so I don’t see any reason he could not have put a different spin on the ending by hiring both. I was also very disappointed with Trump for asking for Randal’s advice in the matter and then taking it. This was a very disappointing end to an otherwise good season. And just for the record, I’m not on Rebecca’s side. I was unsure who should be picked. I thought they were both great. It’s Randal’s greed that put a sour ending on the show. Rebecca will go on to fame, no doubt, but surely learned a lesson about how “friends” can stab you in the back.

    I was also disappointed with the remarks Alla made. She’s as vicious as everyone said she was and would have been a real thorn in Trump’s side if she had won. What a sleeze bag.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:10 am (permalink)

  244. Electric Joe replied:

    There is a lot more to what happened in Season 4’s finale than most realize. This all goes back to Season 1.

    I sincerely believe that Kwame was supposed to win in Season 1, but being a “reality” show, things didn’t go as planned. Had Kwame won the first rendition, there would not have been another word said about Trump and hiring minorities. But Kwame got boxed in on losing teams and was ill-served by Omarosa. As a result, Bill won. Oops! Hired a white guy. Oh well, there’s always Season 2 to hire a minority.

    But what happened on Season 2? Stacie, intended as an Omarosa antidote flaked out in a different way. And Kevin, a Kwame-redeux met the same fate, being boxed in on some losing teams and ultimately piling up enough negatives that he had to go. In an attempt to salvage the season, a woman could be hired–that would settle a huge “minority” contingent…except the sole female survivor (Pamela, the female ringer, having stuck her foot in her mouth) with the credentials for the Trump organization was the weak Jennifer. And once again, “reality” intruded and a professional, relentless competitor with a sound plan and excellent skills systematically ate up the competition. Everything possible was done to try to make it look like a contest, including much protestation on Trump’s part that he had not made up his mind, but the audience and officer testimonials brutally put the lie to it all. Season 2 was Kelly all the way whether the producers liked it or not. Oh no! Hired another white guy. Gotta fix that Season 3.

    There wasn’t a white male with a chance on Season 3. It had to be a “minority.” Once again, we got a pair of people who should have been ringers. A black male entrepeneur and a seemingly suitable black woman, but once again disastrous “reality” intruded. Verna up and quit! The waves of panic emanating for the producers were obvious in the fact that she wasn’t simply sumarily dismissed. Instead we got the disturbing Carolyn rescue mission. Still Verna made it final and bowed out, leaving the horrifyingly inarticulare Craig to scuttle his perfectly dramatic “high school grad” entrepeneur profile. With the situation careening out of control, Trump was forced to settle for mollifying the female viewership, but the choices weren’t the best. Kendra’s youthful appeal and creative marketing and Tana’s brash earthiness made for some degree of drama, but neither candidate was a real “fit” for the Trump organization. Tana was dumped and Kendra hired and promptly hustled off to a remote satrapcy of the Trump empire, possibly never to be heard from again. Three seasons in and all the hires were still white! It had now become imperative to hire someone with a different skin shade lest the wolves start waving the race card and howling for Trump’s blood.

    So, for Season 4, the “fix” was in, and the “fix” was Randal. Compared to the credentials of everyone but “wunderkind” overachiever Rebecca, the only way Randal could have lost would have been to suffer an untimely stroke. This was no accident. Of course, Marshawn was also something of a ringer, as well as Rebecca (who looks sufficiently “exotic” that you wonder if she has some demographically-correct heritage). And then we had the superb distraction of Alla, who was also a ringer of a different kind. The entire elaborate deception plan was crafted to keep you from looking behind the drapes. Even the quadruple firing carefully removed any serious male competitors (and do note who was brought back for the final tasks) along with vapid “Jenthura” from the game, and early enough to ensure the extreme prejudice of the terminations wasn’t obvious, especially since they obligingly managed a catastrophic loss.

    Once again, “reality” intruded to a degree when Marshawn misfired with her inexplicable sand-bagging of a presentation, a situation salvaged by–fortunately–Rebecca. This beneficent turn of events set up a perfect opportunity to present a potential rival to Randal without the too-obvious solution of a Marshawn-Randal finish. That might look like pandering to the black community. And consistently through the season, Alla’s Kelly-like dedication to helping her teams win provided more “competition” for Randal.

    Unfortunately, Trump let a little too much drop about Alla’s past and The Smoking Gun dug a little too deep. It became obvious that there was never any way Trump would hire someone whose resume included being “talent” at the Palamino, so somehow Alla was going to have to go. She couldn’t be in the final two. Cue Hench-Wench Carolyn’s poison pill of paranoia planted on vulnerable Felicia and the perfect prescription for shattering the Alla-Felicia partnership ensued, offering a convenient reason to remove the feral, but impressive, bootstrap entrepeneur.

    Thus, we got Randal and Rebecca. But this was almost as lopsided as Kelly and Jennifer. Rebecca had a losing track record and youth against her–two things Trump doesn’t reward. Randal had experience and a winning track record–two things Trump never ignores. How to make this look close?

    All of a sudden we start seeing Randal taking criticism and making mistakes. Rebecca gets favorable face-time for her back-story and Randal’s grandmother’s shade fades from the scene for a few weeks. Randal gets an outdoor event in dicey weather to make things look riskier, while Rebecca gets a nice safe indoor event. But there’s a problem.

    Any objective look would reveal that Rebecca is the true material for an apprenticeship. The young woman is truly astounding and her only real fault is a lack of experience–something an apprenticeship is designed to overcome. And Randal, by any objective view, is tragically overqualified for the job. It’s just possible Randal could have a bad day and Rebecca a good one. If that happened, Trump might be put in the position where it would be ridicuous not to hire Rebecca.

    That couldn’t be allowed to happen. Does anyone want to bet that Joe Piscopo isn’t perfectly aware of Union Rules? Does anyone want to bet that the whole thing wasn’t a set-up by the producers to create a “variable comparable to the weather” to make Rebecca’s situation look equal to Randal’s? That maneuver was just a bit obvious, so there had to be something else to seal the deal.

    Enter the in-your-face representative of Autism Speaks, and the invisible Glazer scion. The contrast could not be more marked. Also enter the amazingly, blazingly, suicidally, politcally incorrect and insensitive Yahoo executives and their adamantine thou-shalt-not-solicit at a charity function position. Come on! What charity is going to stand for that? Only one in so well with the Trump organization that they know he’ll take care of them. And, of course, Yahoo is not that image-unconscious and is all-too-ready to be “shamed” into a grandiose contribution to not one, but both, causes. So Rebecca’s fate was sealed, and Randal’s tail was covered.

    And the bad thing is, he needed the cover. He completely blew the weather contingency, organized a weak Plan B, and raised a paltry sum for Autism Speaks. If Rebecca had not been manipulated into raising nothing, that would have been obvious. Of course, we are never informed of whether any of Rebecca’s donation envelopes came back later bearing funds… If so, Randal’s weak final performance might be more obvious.

    So, Randal handily defeated Rebecca. His selection was as obvious as from day one, but that fact had to be obscured. After all, if the fix was in, the black community could still wave the race card. How to give Trump cover after ensuring Rebecca’s defeat? How to make it look close? Well, obviously you suggest hiring her as well… Trump wouldn’t do that unless it was truly that close (Don’t look behind the curtain! Don’t look behind the curtain!)…

    Of course, how do you keep that from looking like Trump is simply covering his own tail? Well, you make sure it does not happen after all. How? Simple. You ask an American black male to share the limelight with her. The result is all too predictable–an adamant rejection. The American black male community has been carefully trained by certain political agendas that any achievement that isn’t singularly and personally acknowledging is a sleight. With that predictable reaction by Randal, Trump can gracefully save face, firing Rebecca and setting Randal up as the fall-guy if there is any adverse reaction. But Randal’s insulated for his reaction because, after all, he is a member of the singularly most oppressed minority in the country (just check out all the lynched black men dangling from Central Park trees–or so you would expect from some quarters’ rhetoric). He can be excused. He can be forgiven. And if that apologia directs a little racial suspicion toward Trump, then Trump can always claim that he chose Randal first, and only brought up hiring Rebecca because of audience sympathies. Randal merely confirmed his own thoughts that there should be only one Apprentice. It’s called “plausible deniability.” And if it all causes controversy that creates “buzz” to watch the show, so be it.

    Is Trump racist? Probably not. Minorities have been given a fair shake on The Apprentice from the start. The show practically looks like a slice of demographic data from the last census. Expect Season 5 to have a large Hispanic contingent and a really strong Hispanic female, that’s my prediction.

    Unfortunately, prominent minority candidates have also systematically self-destructed, especially the black candidates. Kwame couldn’t control Omarosa. Omarosa didn’t care about Kwame, only her 15 minutes of fame. Kevin burst into the sweats under pressure and came up short in experience and direction. Stacie freaked out. Verna cracked under pressure and quit. Craig was inarticulate. Marshawn inexplicably and stupidly backed out of a crucial responsbility at the worst possible moment. None of these were subjective failures, and lest anyone think I’m picking on black people, do note there were 59 non-blacks who screwed up similarly (and some more spectacularly). But Trump could be giving half his fortune to black charities and black political candidates and it wouldn’t matter one iota in the public view unless he hired a black, and more particularly a black man. Someone would still call him racist. And some have–and probably would, regardless.

    Did Randal deserve to win? Certainly. He was, hands-down, the most qualified and experienced candidate for what is not a true apprenticeship. He performed outstandingly with relatively few blunders. He is a genuinely nice person. His only true failing was reacting as a black man rather than a business man when Trump suggested hiring Rebecca. Had he reacted as a business man, the same result could have been achieved in a more diplomatic way. Unfortunately, by reacting according to his skin color (which is human and understandable, but still a very human failing) he made himself appear selfish and heartless to casual observers.

    Was Rebecca a worthy finalist? Absolutely. The woman is truly remarkable, and with some seasoning I would respectfully suggest that Trump, Randal and the rest of us keep an eye open over our shoulder. She may be behind for the moment, but she’s coming up fast and if you blink you may not see her going by you.

    Was Rebecca real competition for Randal? Actually, yes. She put on a great event, and if she had not been railroaded by Yahoo, the strangely passive Glazer, and the impossibly amnesic Piscopo, Randal probably would have come off looking very bad indeed on the final competition. Admittedly, his weather gaffe was an amazing lapse, but Randal doesn’t look like an outdoorsman. And there frankly was very little that could be done as a “Plan B” for a rained-out celebrity softball game in the facility available. And we don’t know how many of Rebecca’s envelopes returned and with how much money. It should also be noted, with all fairness, that Randal contributed to one of Rebecca’s P.M. losses and she should not be dismissed as simply coat-tailing on him.

    What of Alla’s take on Rebecca? Alla is as subtle as a chain-saw, but she is also very smart. Up to the time she traded away Rebecca, the younger woman had not contributed much and suffered a loss. She had also backed the insanely arrogant Toral, which didn’t help her credibility with Alla and the other women. Alla’s opinion was understandable, if brutally expressed. What Alla lacks in tact, she makes up in succinctness. Alla never got to see Rebecca achieve up close. She did get to see Randal achieve up close. She also probably looked at both in the context of the kind of position Trump is hiring for and correctly perceived that Randal is better qualified for that role. Alla’s opinion was genuine, if as poorly expressed as Randal’s rejection of Trump hiring Rebecca.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:24 am (permalink)

  245. Derrick replied:

    Here’s a thought…instead of us passing judgement on Randall, maybe we should be asking what the other contestants on The Apprentice think of Randal’s ctions? I just watched it again and froze it after Randal’s decision. Most applauded the decision. And as I said before, there were other more deserving contestants than Rebecca. Let’s look t the facts:

    1. Alla had a great record as PM. But she failed at the wrong time. Rebecca failed tasks twice before. Randal never failed at any task he was pm on.
    2. Whenever the teams were unbalanced, Randal was always picked by his peers to even the odds. Rebecca was traded away because she was viewed as a weak player.
    3. During their last task together, Rebecca was the pm. The actor hired couldn’t do the job. Did Rebcca have the gumption to fire him? No. She asked Randal to do it.

    I’m so tired of hearing how Randal showed class until the last two minutes because he wanted the glory for himself, WHICH HE EARNED. Once again, it was unfair of Trump to put him in that position. If he wanted to hire Rebecca, he should’ve done it on his own.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:16 am (permalink)

  246. Rick replied:

    Well put. Electric Joe said it all. End of thread.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:18 am (permalink)

  247. Kay replied:

    Hey, how come no one has mentioned Trump questioning Adam whether he has ever had sex for the Sex in the Workplace episode? That’s sexual harassment. I would have told Trump et. al. that it’s none of their damn business! Trump is an idiot! The way he kept saying ” is it true, is it true?” He was actually badgering him about it. Adam didn’t owe him an explanation.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:21 am (permalink)

  248. Derrick replied:

    That’s the same thing as Trump asking Clay about being homosexual. That could be considered harrassment as well. It pisses me off that everyone is giving Trump a pass while crucifying Randal. That’s just bs.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:30 am (permalink)

  249. Christian replied:

    Does anyone rememeber that Randal was also the person who was with Rebecca when she had her only win as PM…he said, we will get you this win…does that sound like someone who is spiteful…randal won fair and square…

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:34 am (permalink)

  250. Derrick replied:

    Unfortunately, everyone is going to forget that because big, bad Randal didn’t throw poor widdle helpless innocent Rebecca a bone.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:36 am (permalink)

  251. Derrick replied:

    Something else…since everyone has their panties in a bunch, these were Randal’s last words:

    “I firmly believe this is `The Apprentice. That there is one and only `Apprentice’ and if you’re going to hire someone tonight, it should be one.”

    He said “tonight”. He didn’t say she shouldn’t be hired. He meant tonight. But everyone is in a hurry to crucify the man. That ain’t right!

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:40 am (permalink)

  252. Savannah replied:

    To all those Randal fans …
    My point is simple – Donald Trump asked Randal if he should also hire Rebecca. He did not say she would be the “Co-winner” or “The Co-Apprentice.” Randal had already been declared the winner – national audiences already knew that Randal had beat Rebecca. He simply asked if he should also HIRE her. What did Randal have to lose? They wanted separate projects. He showed a CLEAR lack of loyalty to the Trump Organization when he denied them the opportunity to have yet one more outstanding individual working with him. Shame on Randal!!

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:44 am (permalink)

  253. Kay replied:

    I really felt from the beginning that Randal deserved to win. Unfortunately, his last boardroom performance PRIOR to the QUESTION, displayed panic and his facade was crumbling before our eyes. Even though people thought Rebecca was the weaker player, her debating and selling skills were incredible. What confidence she had! You have to give her props for that. She was unflappable and Randal was slowly unraveling and coming unglued. Trump had their backs to the wall and Rebecca still didn’t falter. That doesn’t necessarily mean she should have won. I am just amazed at how calm she remained.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:48 am (permalink)

  254. Christian replied:

    i think it was her hair!

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:51 am (permalink)

  255. Kay replied:

    Trump is the one who is hair-challenged.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:53 am (permalink)

  256. Christian replied:

    but you have to admit she did look a little like farrah fawcet in charlies angels.

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:56 am (permalink)

  257. Arne replied:

    Why should Randell share the spotlight?

    Did any of the past Hired Apprentices have to share their well earned hiring?

    I am sorry there is absolutley nothing in the weeks of interview that Rebecca did that stood out! She was just there with her injured foot! She did not contribute a darn thing and really she always flew under the radar!

    December 17th, 2005 at 1:58 am (permalink)

  258. kar replied:

    Trump showed his true colors. He just liked Rebecca better, even though she was outclassed and outsmarted by Randal.

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:00 am (permalink)

  259. big hair replied:

    Dude…it was the hair! I kept waiting for the trans am to pull up and take her away!!

    I think she should try out for Dukes of Hazard!!

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:01 am (permalink)

  260. Kay replied:

    Outsmarted, maybe. Outclassed. Not. And that was Jaclyn Smith, not Farrah. And she’s a fabulous businesswomen, too. Look at Farrah. Having to do a reality show herself just for the money. So sad. Time has not served her well despite her college degrees.

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:05 am (permalink)

  261. Kay replied:

    Inside Edition just reported that Rebecca was hired by Yahoo! I knew that Rebecca would get a better offer. I’d rather work for Yahoo than the Donald any day.

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:42 am (permalink)

  262. K-bar replied:

    Well Spoken, Electric Joe. You are a true student of Machiavelli. After that commentary, I can only add my humble opinion.

    Randal’s act of selfishness is incomprehensible. Perhaps he was a middle-child and craved more attention, or is a closet mysoginist. My wife and I pegged both Randal and Rebecca as serious contenders several weeks ago, and were happy when they became the two finalists. I was happy when Randal won, but my respect for him went right down the toilet when he failed to deport himself as the kind, selfless gentleman he had appeared to be.

    I had my first misgivings about Randal during the final task, when he sat in the office and looked out over his single field-hand, who was opening chairs and setting up tents on the plantation. The Outback reps were not pleased with his level of activity, and issued fairly harsh caveats and admonishments.

    At the other end of the spectrum, Rebecca passed up the opportunity to have an enjoyable dinner meeting with Joe Piscapo so she could complete drudgework that she knew must be done. As a former military officer, I recognize good leadership, and Rebecca demonstrated true leadership qualities; in this case, leading by example. I lost some respect for her when she allowed herself to be bullied by the Yahoo execs, despite her background in fundraising. Passive fund-raising never works. On the other hand, if she had told the Yahoo harpies to get stuffed, she would have lost her event sponsors, which would have been difficult to explain to the Donald. She may have banked on the cameras putting Yahoo on the spot and predicted they’d pony up as America watched.

    If the shoe was on the other foot…If Rebecca had won and been asked the same question, how would Randal want her to answer? It all comes down to the Golden Rule -‘treat others as you would be treated’…and the other side of that coin; ‘what goes around, comes around’. I think the laws of Karma will prevail, and Rebecca will come out the winner. I certainly wouldn’t want to share a lifeboat with Randal after his performance.

    To those posters who compare this to sharing a winning lotto ticket, or cutting a gold medal in half; your analogy is flawed. Randal would not have lost anything by being gracious, and would have won a great deal of respect from the public and from future business associates. So I have an analogy for you…Randal had a quick flash of the ‘Crabs in a bucket’ mentality. White folks, if you don’t know what this means…ask a brother or sister…they’ll tell you.

    Oh…and to Sickofupeople: Shotgun barrels taste like peppermint. Pull the trigger for extra minty flavor.

    December 17th, 2005 at 3:46 am (permalink)

  263. Jane replied:

    A few things:

    Admire does not mean we are friends, anyone who confuses a business relationship with true friendship has a lot to learn about business.

    Women ARE competitive. I am a woman and I am VERY competitive.

    Rebecca is NOT a minority or a person of color.

    You don’t know either contestant personally so to make a blanket personal statement that someone is sweet or a jerk based on the person’s business personal is unfair.

    Randal is not loosing any sleep over any of you who lost respect for him. He was very sucessful before you and he will be very sucessful after you, that is if he takes not of you.

    It is not personal, it is business.

    December 17th, 2005 at 4:15 am (permalink)

  264. Jenna replied:

    If it was purely business and not personal, he would have said “yes.” Her resume is strong and she would have been a great asset to the Trump organization. A good business person looks out for the best interest of their company and like I said before, the best thing to do is hire the best people. It would not have changed his winning. I am a journalist. I would have written that story as Randall as the winner and Rebecca as hired by Trump, not as the co-winner of the Apprentice. Many of my fellow journalists would have well.

    December 17th, 2005 at 10:27 am (permalink)

  265. Dante replied:

    Oh common the dude won easily he was the best person for the job and his record was great. Rebecca didn’t do anything in his eyes to be hired and he simply said no. What is wrong with that. Rebecca made zero dollars and was 1-2 as a PM. Actually if someone else should have been hired. It should have been Randall’s group did they a great job. And don’t tell me they wouldn’t have been co-winners since Donald would have offered the job in Jersy and that is on the same level as the job that Randall took. As Randall correctly said this isn’t the Apprenti, it is the Apprentice. He simply worked too hard for someone that is not in the same league as him to share the glory as THE APPRENTICE. If there is a question of someone being selfish it would be TRUMP, if he wanted Rebecca hire her after the show. As he said the program is about good business sense not rating. That is the simple truth.

    December 17th, 2005 at 11:05 am (permalink)

  266. Marsha replied:

    I would just like to respond to those that said Randall had a right to decide not to share the spotlight with Rebecca. I believe this lengthy discussion proves that was an impossible outcome.

    December 17th, 2005 at 11:12 am (permalink)

  267. Derrick replied:

    Ok, say it with me…Randal…should…not…have…been…put…into…that…position…period. It was a no-win situation for him. You people saying what harm could it have done? Please. If he says yes, it’s not fair for the other MORE DESERVING candidates who didn’t reach the finals. I’ll bet if it was Josh, who by the way was applauding the dcison Randal made, would’ve done the same, we wouldn’t be having this conversation.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:13 pm (permalink)

  268. LB replied:

    Randall is selfish. I am minority, but clearly he forgot were he came from. He didn’t want to share his glory and he showed insecurity when he was asked if Rebecca deserved to be hired as well. Trump did not asked if he wanted her to be the apprentice, he clearly asked: “do you think she should be hired as well?” I am sure Randall was thinking: “what if, at the end, Rebecca does a better job in Trump’s organization?”; “I will look as a fool with 20 titles…” I lost all respect for him.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:29 pm (permalink)

  269. Marsha replied:

    Randall was chosen as the Apprentice. In my opinion it was a win/lose situation for him regarding the final decision. I also have to disagree there were more deserving people in the past.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:35 pm (permalink)

  270. Derrick replied:

    To all the Randal naysayers, I challenge you to go to Yahoo’s Apprentice Website and look closely as Randal explains why he should be the only Apprentice. You will see the voted out contestants applauding (most notably Alla, Josh, and Felisha). Evidently, they weren’t as taken with Rebecca as you all seem to be. Also, Bren from last season writes in his blog he agrees with Randal’s decision. I’ll value the opinions of those that actually went through the process over your opinions.

    December 17th, 2005 at 12:42 pm (permalink)

  271. Marsha replied:

    Bren, that’s the one with the cucumber idea in the porn, oops, I mean Dove commercial. But, I admit, Alla speaks only speaks the truth, so it must be so!

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:28 pm (permalink)

  272. may ashlin replied:

    I’m curious as to why Rebecca was considered in the first place. I have serious issues with all of her losses. It’s one thing if you lose because the competition is better than you. Randal is the better candidate and deserves the title as the Apprentice. All of Rebecca’s losses are compound by the fact that she failed to meet the client’s objectives: The Techno Expo: How come it never occurred to Rebecca to make sure all presenters know how to operate the equipment prior to the event or XM Cafe: Choosing an R & B artist for a station that does not play R & B music escapes comprehension. Rebecca should have been fired for this, she just got lucky when Clay came off as a difficult and insensitive person who wouldn’t go along with the program or get along with his teammates to save himself. I point out these losses because they demonstrate why Randal should be the apprentice and why Rebecca should not be hired at Trump organization: Foresight and Backbone.
    Randal clearly saw that Markus knew the Tivo well and put him in charge of explaining it prior to the event. Rebecca didn’t realize Toral was ignorant about Tivo until the event was underway.
    Rebecca lost focus with the XM Cafe task. Both her and Randal contributed to this loss; however Rebecca was the project manager and should of spoke against the idea of choosing someone outside XM Cafe’s format.
    Randal and Rebecca on the charity tasks: Both were told not to ask for donations by their sponsors but only Randal realized that this was a charity event and for the event to be successful you have to raise money. Also, it helped Randal’s case that Alison, the CEO from Autism Speaks, stayed on Randal about the message and purpose of Autism Speaks. As a result, Randal made sure that Autism Speaks was front and center instead of Outback and raised money for the charity: The main objective of the task.
    Randal was far from perfect: No plan B in case of a rainout and the locker room looked too small for the number of people that showed up for the event.
    If I was the CEO of Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric Aids Foundation, I would be angry with Yahoo for making such a request and even angrier for Rebecca for following their suggestion. As a result, NO money was raised for the organization and Rebecca made Yahoo look bad for voicing such a hypocritical idea and incompetent for hiring the executives, which forced Yahoo to make amends for Rebecca’s failure to see EGPAF was the client not Yahoo. I don’t blame Mr. Trump for putting Yahoo on the show to rectify the situation. I believe Yahoo and Outback did this, as a test to see if candidates understood what happens when dealing with multiple clients’s to meet one objective. I don’t think Yahoo expected Rebecca to please them at the expense of the Elizabeth Glaser Pediatric AIDS Foundation, but that’s exactly what Rebecca did.
    Without the foresight and backbone to ensure client’s needs are met first, Rebecca cannot be considered for employment at Trump organization.
    Don’t get me wrong, Rebecca will be a fine asset to any company that employs her but not until she develops the skills of foresight and backbone, which will help Rebecca to actively and accurately put customer needs first.

    December 17th, 2005 at 2:42 pm (permalink)

  273. Jerry replied:

    Randall was the best candidate. He earned the title. And like it or not, his decision permanently alienated most of America. Right or wrong, it was a life changing choice, and it will haunt him for years. Two or three years from now, if I am reminded of him, all I will remember is that final choice he made and what it revealed about his character.

    December 17th, 2005 at 4:31 pm (permalink)

  274. Shyla replied:

    If none of the previous apprentice winners had to share with the loser, why should Randall alone have to do so. He won fair and square and he alone deserved the win. We don’t have 2 winners, only 1. Rebecca has poise and is articulate but she failed horribly as a Project Manager and only won 1 because of Randall. Randall is the WINNER and it is very nasty of people to expect him to share it with Rebecca just because she is young and poised. Bill did not have to share it with Kwame, Kelly did not have to share it with Jennifer and Kendra did not have to share it with Tana. So, why the different rules and expectations for Randall.

    December 17th, 2005 at 4:40 pm (permalink)

  275. Marsha replied:

    Do not forget that on the XM satellite project, Randall made one of the fatal errors (the wrong station listed on the poster).

    I believe, however, that Randall deserved the win. I also believe that both Randall and Rebecca are far superior candidates for the organization than Kelly or Kendra were. This season there were a number of extraordinary people that in my opinion were far superior than in the past seasons.

    December 17th, 2005 at 5:02 pm (permalink)

  276. Jody replied:

    Ralph I take offense that you lump all white americans together. I am white, my husband is black. I was discriminated against because I was dirt poor growing up and didn’t live in the right neighborhood, my husband went to a private school with filthy rich people who accepted him.

    I wish people would stop always pulling out the race card whenever there is a disagreement between two races- it is applicable sometimes, but not always.

    This is not one of them- As far as I am concerned this is the first Apprentice where the finally 2 contestants were both qualified.

    As far as everyone going on about how “there can only be one Apprentice” don’t forget Donald made a number of surprising moves this season including firing whole teams more then once. He makes the rules and breaks them when he wants to.

    Yes, Randal was put on the spot but it would not have taken anything away from his win to answer yes when the Donald asked him “do you think she should be hired as well?”. In fact it would have added to my respect for him instead of subtracting from it.

    This is a answer that will last with him forever- this is what he will be remembered for whether he was wrong or right.

    December 18th, 2005 at 1:04 am (permalink)

  277. GW replied:

    Please, get over it, the man won and by right he should have. The person you should be upset with is The Donald. He is afraid of the rate slippage and wanted to throw a monkey wrench in the mix. Unfortunately, it back fired and Randal is taking the heat. Rebecca did not even make a good runner up, there were others more qualified.

    December 18th, 2005 at 3:20 am (permalink)

  278. Ex-Randal Fan replied:

    In my eyes, Randal showed very little if no class with his reply. He played the game and Randal and Rebecca made almost an undefeatable team. I did think Randal should have won, however he, in my eyes, dropped his identifiable class (and did a disservice to his race) by denying Rebecca his loyalty she so well deserved. What do you think his future employees will think of his “loyalty?”

    December 18th, 2005 at 9:30 am (permalink)

  279. JB replied:

    Jerry at post #273 said it all in a nutshell. Regardless of all the other arguments for and against, Randal will be remembered, not for the brilliant and qualified person he was, but for his response to Mr. Trump’s final question. It will “haunt” him for the rest of his life!

    December 18th, 2005 at 9:49 am (permalink)

  280. Kay replied:

    To all of Alla’s fans, consider where she came from. She wanted to start a spa business so she decided to get experience as a stripper in Las Vegas to see what it’s like. Excuse me? To be in the cosmetology industry, you do not need to take off your clothes. That is unless you’re opening a whore house that does special massages. Trump reprimanded her in her final boardroom rage. Can you imagine working for her in any capacity? So this is all about competition? So where is the sportsmanship? Anyone remember the unfair judging of the Olympics ice skating pairs competition–the Canadians deserved it for a flawless performance, but the Russians got it, even though they made huge two-footed mistakes. Then both pairs ended up getting gold medals. I didn’t think this was fair (what is?), but look at how both pairs of skaters have become genuine friends, even skating together, and everyone ended up happy. There are exceptions to every rule. Trump made changes to his rules throughout this season. Wouldn’t it be boring if there were no changes every year? I think this show has run its course and shouldn’t be renewed. The desperation of the contestants wanting to win is disgusting. Will no longer watch this show.

    December 18th, 2005 at 1:24 pm (permalink)

  281. Marsha replied:

    Well, there are a couple of articles that have been written about Trump’s surprise at Randall’s decision. I don’t know if they allow links here (check sirlinks alot if they don’t)

    http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/ent_radio/story/375408p-319039c.html

    Rebecca apparently impressed the Yahoo people!

    December 18th, 2005 at 2:17 pm (permalink)

  282. Derrick replied:

    This pretty much sums up my feelings of this whole sordid situation:

    http://www.insidepulse.com/articles/45286

    December 18th, 2005 at 4:54 pm (permalink)

  283. Debra replied:

    I am sick and tired of you people who think that Randal should have shared the limelight with Rebecca. The name of the show is the Apprintice. As someone said before why didn’t Mr Trump ask the other three apprintice to share their title…now that a “Black” man has won in a fashion that no other apprentice has won he’s asked to share his title. He did the right think I am proud of him. He is a bigger man than anyone I know. Many of us would have said “yes” to sharing the title just to please others, I really really admire that man.

    December 18th, 2005 at 6:19 pm (permalink)

  284. Rick replied:

    I had a discussion with some people about this today. And it made me wonder if there is some underlying racism going on it here afterall. It’s the only thing to explain the extreme hate. There have been many posts that have been way off base and full of inaccuracies disguised as “opinion.” The fact of the matter is that Rebecca was in no way equal to Randal. His win-loss record, his education, his experience, the respect of the other contestants, the results of the final task, etc. All of these way outshined Rebecca. So why are people even dreaming that Randal would consider her his equal? BTW, when did Randal ever say that he and Rebecca were friends? They were only teammates for a few tasks. That’s it! No betrayal when there is no friendship. They were competitors first and foremost. If you don’t like watching people compete to their fullest, why are you watching a competition? Also, Randal told Donald not to hire another apprentice “tonight” leaving the door wide open for Donald to hire her the very next day if he wished. People in here are saying things like, “I TOTALLY lost respect for Randal!” Wow! I feel sorry for your friends and family. They must have a hard time earning and keeping your respect if such a little thing affects you so.

    December 18th, 2005 at 6:48 pm (permalink)

  285. Derrick replied:

    I agree with you Rick…I do believe there is underlying racism going on. I don’t think most of the people here are racist, but everywhere I turn, it’s like Rebecca is Little Red Riding Hood and Randal is the Bug Bad Wolf. As I mentioned before, the fired contestants could be seen in the background applauding Randal’s decision.

    December 18th, 2005 at 7:49 pm (permalink)

  286. Jan replied:

    For heaven’s sake! By what factual basis is Rebecca equal or nearly equal to Randal in management ability or competence? Those of you who think that Rebecca is on the same level as Randal either have very low standards or didn’t watch all 13 episodes.

    Rebecca lost every task in which she was PM, except the one where she was in a 2-person team with Randal and he was instrumental in helping her to win that task. Not to mention that the last task was about raising money for the charity and not only did Rebecca not raise ANY money, but at the event her charity got one measly sign and an envelope in the gift bag! That’s it. Randal’s sponsor told him not to ask the bigwigs for money too but he ignored them. Also, her team once traded her because she was a weak player. ——- If you can ignore all those facts and still look at someone with such a terrible performance record and say they are equal to someone like Randal who was UNDEFEATED as PM, then it’s clear you are full of crap.

    Then you say that “Randal would have lost nothing by hiring Rebecca.” Give me a break – he would have lost his self-respect. Since no other apprentice winner was asked that question, it was inappropriate to ask Randal, especially for such an inferior opponent. Also, Randal wasn’t hired as VP of Trump’s Personnel Department. If Trump still thought Rebecca was pretty enough to hire despite her losing record, then he was free to hire her after the show. It was inappropriate for him to raise the matter when he did.

    The only reason Rebecca was in the finale was because Trump went on a firing rampage this season and fired all of Randal’s real competition. She made it to the finale by sheer luck, not ability. She didn’t earn the win. She didn’t deserve to share in it.

    December 18th, 2005 at 9:05 pm (permalink)

  287. Rick replied:

    And to those saying that Rebecca was betrayed: What did she EVER do for Randal? The only thing she ever did was:

    1. Ask for his advice before she made any decisions as PM.
    2. Falsely criticize his “effort” in the boardroom when pressed by Trump & Co. after the XM Radio task.
    3. Privately apologize to him for #2 minutes later.

    Why would Randal be required to show loyaly to her? She reaped what she had sown. As Alla said, she showed nothing until the final task. Even then, she raised no money. Who cares about what donations may have come in after the task. This is a competition with time constraints. If you don’t get the money during the task, you’ve practically handed the victory to your opponent if said opponent so much as borrowed a single dollar from one of their VIPs.

    December 18th, 2005 at 11:03 pm (permalink)

  288. Derrick replied:

    Randal defends his decision:

    http://www.tvguide.com/News/Insider/default.htm?cmsGuid={E4EFE03F-56B8-4B86-9511-4EA83C821860}

    Kudos to Randal.

    December 19th, 2005 at 11:02 am (permalink)

  289. Jill replied:

    I was also very disappointed in Randal. I thought all along he would win, but he did such a terrible job on the last task, and Rebecca outshined him, that I then thought it would be close, as it was. Trump made Randal the clear “winner” by announcing him as such. Randal’s later recommending Rebecca as a second hire would not have taken away anything from his victory. He had no legit. reason for not hiring her except that he wanted to be the sole apprentice. If I were Trump, I’d have said, “I just hired you, you just showed me that you don’t make decisions with your head and you are selfish, you’re fired, Rebecca, you’re hired.” Now THAT would have been interesting…

    December 19th, 2005 at 12:48 pm (permalink)

  290. Rick replied:

    Um, Jill. . . What show were you watching? Because, on THIS show, both Carolyn and George admitted that BOTH contestants did a GREAT job on their tasks and that any criticisms they had were trivial.

    Rebecca outshined nobody. Oh and BTW, she still raised no money for her charity that night.

    December 19th, 2005 at 4:53 pm (permalink)

  291. RealityTVFan replied:

    Well, we don’t know that for sure Rick. They very conveniently didn’t tell us how many donations got sent back but you gotta believe there were some…..

    December 19th, 2005 at 5:42 pm (permalink)

  292. Rick replied:

    Agreed RealityTVFan. I have little doubt that donations are being sent in as we type. Unfortunately for Rebecca, the task did not allow for a time extension. Like every other task, you must get the money in by the end of the event in order for it to be counted for the boardroom. Remember, the live boardroom we saw was an extension of the original boardroom that probably occurred the following day or so. Rebecca lost sight of that and I don’t understand why. Hasn’t she been paying attention those 13 weeks?

    December 19th, 2005 at 6:03 pm (permalink)

  293. Kay replied:

    According to the TV Guide interview link, Randal said the following: “The analogy that I draw is that if you were given the gold medal and then invited by the International Olympic Committee to share it with the silver medalist, you wouldn’t even consider it.” Been there, done that! The Russian ice skating pairs vs. the Canadian ice skating pairs a few years ago in the Olympics. They both received gold medals and seemed to have survived quite nicely. Everyone is happy and they are even friends. I’m not saying that they should have shared the title of “Apprentice.” There is another opening in the company. Why not fill it with another candidate–without the title of winner? And if Trump wanted to fill the position with a different candidate that lost earlier in the game, it’s his company and he can do what he pleases.

    December 19th, 2005 at 8:49 pm (permalink)

  294. Derrick replied:

    I’m sorry, but that Olympic skating situation is completely different. If I remember correctly, there was a judging scandal. That’s the only reason the gold was shared. Name another time someone was asked to share a gold medal. Was the US Basketbll team offered one when they were screwed out of the gold medal in ’76? Was Roy Jones offered a god medal when he was screwed in the Seoul, Korea Olympics? No on both accounts. There was no scandal with The Apprentice before Donald Trump foolishly asked Randal in the heat of the winning moment. Trump created this scandal. He’s the one who should have his feet held to the fire in this.

    December 19th, 2005 at 10:47 pm (permalink)

  295. Kay replied:

    Yahoo! has offered Rebecca a position with its corporate team, working with Suzy Orman and a number of other columnists. Maybe they can advise Trump on how to stay out of bankruptcy, both personal bankruptcy and Chapter 11 for his Atlantic City casino?

    December 20th, 2005 at 1:07 pm (permalink)

  296. BaltimorePhil replied:

    After Randal gave his opinon of DT’s offer the very last thing Donald said was “Fair enough, I agree”. Now that’s the end of it.

    December 20th, 2005 at 2:04 pm (permalink)

  297. Marv replied:

    I am glad to see that Yahoo has offered Rebecca a job. I wonder if Trump regrets hiring Randal first, since it was fairly obvious that he planning on hiring them both. I just don’t think he was expecting the response he got from Randal. Who knows, maybe Randal stayed up late watching “Highlander” on TV and got the whole “there can be only one” mantra stuck in his head. I wish them both luck.

    December 21st, 2005 at 8:09 pm (permalink)

  298. Derrick replied:

    I guarantee he doesn’t regret hiring Randal. And Randal never said Rebecca shouldn’t be hired. I challenge ANYONE to show where Randal should not hire Rebecca. He said not tonight. He didn’t say Randal shouldn’t hire her at all. People need to get that through their heads.

    December 21st, 2005 at 9:09 pm (permalink)

  299. Marv replied:

    Hi everybody. I just wanted to say that I appreciate everyones feedback and hope you all have a very Merry Christmas. Thanks to all for sharing your thoughts and opinions. God bless and best wishes.

    December 24th, 2005 at 2:45 am (permalink)

  300. spawn replied:

    I’m sorry if I’m beating a dead horse here, but I came across a review of the finale of Apprentice elsewhere, and what the guy writing the review said I believe sums up the situation beautifully. This is an excerpt:

    “Say no, and I will be pissed, because I love Rebecca. Say yes, and you just sold out an entire alphabet, because the first Sports Illustrated swimsuit cover featuring a woman of color on her own, without the stabilizing influence of a blonde chick, was less than ten years ago, and “sharing” = “marginalizing” when you’re talking firsts. Say yes, and the story stops being “First African-American Apprentice” and starts being “First Double Apprentice Hiring!” Say no, and the story stops being “First African-American Apprentice” and starts being “Randal Is A Dick…Or A Badass!” Even if Trump clarified and said, “Not hired hired, just given a job, because she’s awesome,” even if Randal clarified and said, “Not on a level commensurate with mine,” or even “Not tonight, please,” even if Rebecca clarified and said, “Let’s discuss it tomorrow,” because the damage is done and Trump did the damage, and the damage was this: “Are you going to be an a**hole and not share this with the crippled girl, though it costs you nothing?” Because what it costs you is a f***ing alphabet.”

    Now the alphabet the author is referring too is one he made up about Randal, and it’s very good. Also, the South African version of The Apprentice ended in a tie and a double hiring…and let’s just say the viewing audience was not entirely happy with that, as evident by this post in particular:

    “First of all, let me just say that I’m happy for both ladies as they embark on an undoubtedly exciting new adventure. Now let me vent a little.

    *clears throat*

    My God, what an absolute crock of a “climax”!!! My level of perplexion eclipses even that of Ntatho! Whoever was in charge of this show at the SABC should be “dismissed” based purely on this shambles of a final episode. I don’t fault Tokyo one bit. It’s those boneheads at the SABC that should have pulled him aside and said very sternly “Look, remember that this is an entertainment show, you MUST pick ONE apprentice or everything we’ve achieved with the show will be flushed down the tubes”. I’m absolutely sure that had they done that, Tokyo would have chosen one apprentice, afterall, he’d be able to see the business angle that the SABC would be coming from. As it stands, he took a business decision that only benifited his own company.

    Needless to say, Kgomotso was essentially robbed by the decision because it makes it look like the two are equals when in fact she has outperformed Zanele in just about every category (the last episode was no exception).

    I doubt I’ll watch the next series. ”

    Here’s the link:

    http://www.tashitagg.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2505&start=0&sid=ab9d33be1adc28412f49446cf64d645f

    I just think both examples validate, at least IMHO, that Randal did the right thing.

    December 27th, 2005 at 1:31 pm (permalink)

  301. M J replied:

    I think Randall’s nose looks like a penis. Am I the only one?

    And yes Randall is greedy and should feel bad for America’s disappointment that Rebecca was denied an opportunity with Mr. Trump all because of greed.

    Randall should be ashamed.

    And did I mention his nose looks like a… you7 know what :’>

    January 7th, 2006 at 1:25 am (permalink)

  302. Candice Martin replied:

    RANDALL IS ABSOLUTELY WONDERFUL: SMART (MORE DEGREES THAN ANY
    APPRENTICE CANDIDATE….EVER).

    A NATURAL-BORN LEADER….WON EVERY
    TASK AS PROJECT MANAGER (BEAT REBECCA IN THE FINAL TASK, LIKE A DRUM).
    ALL HIS PEERS WANTED HIM ON THEIR TEAM, AND REWARDED HIS EXCELLENCE
    BY ALWAYS VOTING FOR HIS EXEMPTION.

    BUSINESS SAVVY: MANAGES SEVERAL SUCESSFUL COMPANIES. HE ALSO HAD
    THE BUSINESS SENSE NOT TO DIMINISH HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS
    BY ELEVATING AN OPPONENT (REBECCA) WHO WAS FAR LESS, I MEAN FAR FAR
    LESS QUALIFIED THAN HE. COURAGE TOO….WHAT COURAGE HE SHOWED IN
    WHEN PLACED IN THIS UNFAIR POSITION BY DONALD TRUMP.

    I ABSOLUTELY APPLAUD HIS DECISION NOT TO HIRE HER. I WOULD NOT HAVE,
    AND WOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHLY INSULTED BY THE SUGGESTION.

    I ALSO THINK ANY FAIR-MINDED (NON-RACIST) HUMAN-BEING WOULD EASILY
    ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, “REBECCA” DID NOT DESERVE TO WIN, AND DID NOT
    DESERVE TO SHARE THE SPOTLIGHT WITH RANDALL.

    FUTHERMORE, THERE WERE MANY OTHER CANDIDATES SITTING ON THE STAGE
    MUCH MORE QUALIFED THEN SHE.

    GET OVER IT PREJUDICE PEOPLE….RANDALL WON….HE WAS BETTER.
    REBECCA LOST….SHE WAS NOT QUALIFIED.

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  303. Brian replied:

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